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JASPREET SINGH Ji, Discussions and deliberations are always good for imrovement in better understanding of Gurbaanee and this can be very useful in ellimination of confusions if any are there. But this should be carried on with sincerity rather than taking the views as against our already existing norms of understanding. This is the era of immense opporunity of positive interactiby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
JASKIRAT Ji, I refer to the message of your post as ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ - I have not seen appearning in Gurbani so it is not Gurmantar for me But you can see that the word ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ is very much there in Gurbanee as is clear from this quote from Gurbaanee ਸੇਵਕ ਕੈ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਭੁ ਸਦby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One can see that in the Quote ਸੁਣਿਐ ਸਿਧ ਪੀਰ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਾਥ ॥ In the words ਸਿਧ ਪੀਰ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਾਥ here each word is a PLURAL NUMBER WORD. Every word is the reference for a particular spritual state one can achieve thru LISTENING OF NAAMu. It is woth noting that ਸੁਣਿਐ is the reference for a specific state of listeniby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The central theme of the whole conversation is clearly given the Tukh of Rahaa-u as ਕਿਆ ਭਵੀਐ ਸਚਿ ਸੂਚਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਸਾਚ ਸਬਦ ਬਿਨੁ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ This is very important point of understanding the essence of the whole conversation in Sidh Gost Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH JI, I am surprised to find how confusing views sometimes are presented by your goodself the example is If as per your above statement, there is no message to confirm the Gurmantr from Gurbani, Where did I say there is no Gurmantra in Gurbanee.? You have not been sincere in presenting my full views. This is not expected from a person of your calibre as I have understby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
As far as I understand from Gurbanee one do not find any message to confirm that Gurmantra is the word WahguruorWaheguru. However from one of the Vaars of Bhai Gurdas ji one can understand the word Waheguru as gur Ka sabadu. I may be rectified if any mistake in understanding so. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
SIKH.LEARNER Ji, I would suggest you to first confirm from Gurbaanee what is Gurmantra? After this I am sure you will get the answer for this. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Yes,This is what is more correct Here Guru Sahib is saying that the Har-Har-Har-Naam stick (ਨਾਮ ਰੂਪੀ ਲਸਟਿਕਾ) has punished and killed the disease (Rog). In other words, Guru Sahib is saying that, Har-Har-Har-Naam has served as Raam Chandra's stick it would be important to understand this Har-Har-Har-Naam stick is reference for JOTi only. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daasby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I think the reference for the word ਰਾਮਚੰਦ is GuR JOTi . There is no such context in the given Sabad for the reference to be considered as for SRI Ram Chander ji of Ramayana. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The observations presented is correct but there are some points worh considering in this context. From Gurbaanee one can learn that there is a word as GUN and the same word is visible as ਗੁਣ Now it is important to consider the foloowing words carefully in the given Quote ਅਵਗੁਣ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ Here the word ਅਵਗੁਣ is PLURAL NUMBER and the word is SINGLEby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I think one can think on this message from Gurbanee to understand the answer to the Riddle. The message is as ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ਦੂਜਾ ੨ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਰਸੀਆ ਆਪਿ ਰਸੁ ਆਪੇ ਰਾਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਹੋਵੈ ਚੋਲੜਾ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਜ ਭਤਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਤਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਸby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I think here in the quotes the reference for ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ is for specific ਦੁਖੁ and specific ਸੁਖੁ This speific ਦੁਖੁ reference for "the separation from Akalpurahu/Prabhu" and ਸੁਖੁ is the refernce for "being in union with Akalpurakhu Prabhu" Although there can be many kinds of Sukh Dukh . Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The views are greatly appreciable as Vibrations of naam/gurbani never fail to uplift one through such sadhsangat. Devoid of this, one is in a helpless situation. There is need of such understanding .such as "Vibrations of naam " Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
BHAGAT SINGH Ji, I hope ,you understand what is GuR JOTi.? If you focus on this there is answer to your question. At the moment I am not in a position to say any more than this. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Is Dukh Unavoidable.? From Gurbanee one can learn that Dukh is required to be accepted as Will of Vaheguru ji, One can understand the game plan of Sukh and Dukh from a Quote as ਸੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਪੁਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕੀਏ ॥ ਸੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਿਨਿ ਦਾਤੈ ਦੀਏ ॥ ਕਿਸ ਕਉ ਦੋਸੁ ਦੇਹਿ ਤੂ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਸਹੁ ਅਪby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhagat Singh ji, I think if you carefully understand the real message of Gurbanee you may find that the SYMBOL is refering to JOTi which is refered in Gurbanee as GuR JOTi. This GuR JOTi is of word GuROO only. So Gurbanee is all about GuR JOTi this is most important to understand. Think yourself one is required to connect with GuROO or with JOTi of GuROO. GuROO is guide or helping oneby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
You are right Veer ji, I may bring one more important observation for your considerations and it can be observed that there are several sabad without tukh of Rahaa-u. and there are some sabad where every tukh is a tukh of Rahaa-u This I think are just exceptions to the general isignificance of tukh of Rahaa-u or may be some other reason. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Bagby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
PREETAM SINGH JI, In one of my posts I have already made it clear as The exact interpretation will depend on the reference meaning of the word ਊਚੇ In one quote : ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ The reference for the word ਊਚੇ is for Vaheguru,Akalpurakh Whereas in the Quote ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ਭਗਵੰਤ The reference for the word ਊਚੇ isby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The Rahaa-u waali tukh is always the ONE before Rahaa-u and is separately denoted with Numerical Number one. If there are more that one Tukh of Rahaa-u in any Sabad then the other one is always written as Rahaa-u Dujaa. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
For nore clarity on the interpretation of the Quote as.... ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਊਚਾ ਥਾਉ ॥ ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਏਵਡੁ ਊਚਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ ਕਉ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਇ One can give a thinking to the reference of the word ਊਚੇ in the complete Quote It becomes clear that the reference in the qby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One can see another similar Quote from Gurbanee as ਕੋਇ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ॥ ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ਭਗਵੰਤ It is thus clear that the meaning of ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ or ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ is Greatest over Greats The exact interpretation will depend on the reference meaning of the word ਊਚੇ. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daasby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
This means that in this Quote the word ਊਚੇ is not the reference for Vaheguru . Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One can look at this quote from Gurbanee ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੫ ॥ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਆਰਾਧਣਾ ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜਪਿ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਨੇਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੇਖਣਾ ਸ੍ਰਵਣੀ ਸੁਨਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥ One should try to understand the meaning of ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ . Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakashby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
What this arth is saying is that Vaheguru's naam is so great that it is even more ਊਚਾ than Vaheguru. Is this arth right If this is so then it means that Vahegurus naam is different from Vaheguru. Can this be so? Bhul chuk maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Thanks for your nice suggestion I will be more careful in this respect of presentation Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, I think there is some misunderstanding in the concept of Words as SINGULAR or PLURAL. In fact any SINGLE WORD can be either SINGULAR NUMBER or PLURAL NUMBER. Probably there is confusion due to this understanding. When I say the word is SINGULAR I mean to say that SINGLE word is SINGULAR NUMBER When I say the word is PLURAL I mean to say that SINGLE word is PLUby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, Can you give me a little understanding about the role of Genders in getting the meaning of the word.? Probably this understanding may be useful in more clarity what is all about the word as SINGULAR or PLURAL. I look forward to your views as I consider them very useful Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, I am very sure about the words being SINGULAR or PLURAL as per matra of Siharee and Biharee You can verify this from any of Gurbanee grammar Book.Either Prof Sahib Singh ji or Joginder Singh Talwara ji or any other Gurbanee Grammar Book. An word fundamentally eis either SINGULAR or PLURAL . If there is any word as SINGULAR in M/G ..There has to be correspondingby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
On this occasion of Guru Granth Sahib Prakash Vtsav,One should focus on a Quote from SGGS ji as ਨਿਰਮਲ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਧਾ ਪਰਪੂਰਨ ਸਬਦ ਤਰੰਗ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਤ ਦਿਨ ਆਗਰੁ ॥ ਗਹਿਰ ਗੰਭੀਰੁ ਅਥਾਹ ਅਤਿ ਬਡ ਸੁਭਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਭ ਬਿਧਿ ਰਤਨਾਗਰੁ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1404 There isby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum