One can see a quote from Gurbanee as ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਦ ਕਰੀਐ ॥ ਰਤਨ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਫਲੁ ਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਆ ਦਰਸਨ ਕਉ ਬਲਿਹਰੀਐ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ It can be observed that in tranlitration in Roman Script this wor ਗੁਰੁ is written as Gur without Aukad. My understanding is that by doinby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, Pl refer to your views . You were making blanket statements like all non-Aunkad ending nouns are plural which is not true. What shoyld be the General Rule for knowing that any word is SINGULAR or PLURAL. One is first required to be familiar with the Common and General Rule. Exceptions come thereafter. My blanket statement is is for A General Rule for Knowing thby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, I surprise how you take the views as ignoring the principles of Gurmati. I observe that in understanding of Gurbanee the concept of the word TARANG has been overlooked. First thing you may confirm there is no word in Gurbanee as Guru -Jyoti The proper word is JOT(i) This is a word with matra of Siharee.This is SINGULAR and its PLURAL is JOT-ee (With matra of Bby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
This interpretation is what we have been knowing for the past so many years. I think there is need to understand this in context of JOTi as GuR. for more clarity in understandng of Gurbanee.. My thinking is that Gurbanee is perfect and its understanding can not be just based on assumptions and pressumptions. Bhul chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH JI, If one understands what is ONE to MANY then this can become clear. It is Vaheguroo which is ONEas well as MANY. Vaheguroo is ONE as SABADu and Vaheguroo is MANY as Gur . It is this Gur which is being refered as Gurdev . Bhul chuk maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, Pl refer to your views as I repeat my Benti again. You say that you don't agree with Professor Sahib Singh jee's meanings Well I said I dont agree 100% with Prof Sahib Singhi Jis interpretations.I have studied his grammar books in detail and i found that a person of his calibre would have presented the interpretation still more clearly with proper application of knoby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR JEE, In the quote ਗੁਰ ਜੈਸਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਦੇਵ You are considering the SAMBANDH of the word ਗੁਰ with the word ਜੈਸਾ whereas my understanding is that the word ਗੁਰ is SAMBADHAK to the word ਦੇਵ In this context my understanding for the word as KARTAKARAK is PLURAL. This is so that in Gurbanee one can see a word as Gurdev andby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, I refer to your views as According to Gurbani Viyakaran, ਗੁਰ should have Aunkad in the end and I have had Darshan of a Saroop where Aunkad is there at the end of ਗੁਰ. If need be, I can post a picture of this old handwritten Saroop Does it mean that there should be no word in SGGS ji as ਗੁਰ.? Do one see the word as ਗੁਰੂ BAANEE.? It is alwaysby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, Thank you for partially understanding my point of view. My point still remains unexplained about the word ਗੁਰ used as KARTA KARAK.. And for this reason I dont agree cent % with the views of Prof Sahib Singh ji interpretations. One can see that we always consider the word ਗੁਰ as - ਗੁਰੂ and the word Gur with matra of Aukad is interpratedby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
It does work with miraculous and amazing results. And your love and affection for your GuRu is enhanced. But this is again going to happen if predestined for you. as the whole game of life is preset because this is also a part of this game only. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
From Gurbanee one can learn that Gurbanee is all about GuR JOTi only. This is a unique concept of Gurbanee and for understanding the concept of GuR JOTi it is important that one has a clear understanding about the grammar of Gurbanee words as SINGULAR or PLURAL. The concept of GuR JOTi can not be understood according to the genders of the words as Masculine or Feminine Genders.Thus theby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, Surprisingly you have taken the word ਗੁਰ SINGULAR without mentioning the KARAK. My understanding is that the word ਗੁਰ here as KARTA KARAK is PLURAL.. Similarly in a quote from ASAA Di VAAR as VAAIN CHELE NACHANi Gur..pp465 SGGS ji ..............Prof Sahib Singh ji clearly gives the meaning to the word ਗੁਰ as PLURAL. I dont deny the factby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, There is a quote from Gurbanee as ਗੁਰ ਜੈਸਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਦੇਵ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਭਾਗੁ ਸੁ ਲਾਗਾ ਸੇਵ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ Would you pl make me clear about the word ਗੁਰ whether SINGULAR or PLURAL. Bhul chuk maaf Daas. Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, There are eight KARAKS for application of any word .Out of eight KARAKS one can see that only for application of the word in three (SAMPRADAN...SAMBANHAK and SAMBODHAN) Karaks the word PLURAL can be considered as SINGULAR. And when any PLURAL word is Considered as SINGULAR such a NOUN is a COLLECTIVE NOUN because fundamentally the word is PLURAL. There is a diffby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
These are three important Base words of Gurbaanee ਗੁਰੂ -ਗੁਰੁ-ਗੁਰ. It is observed that for the word ਗੁਰੂ the translitration is Guru and while transltrating the word ਗੁਰੁ- it is written as Gur and the third word already is there as Gur. This way one can see there is no consideration to the word ਗੁਰੁ- for its correct matra of Aukad under itsby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR Ji, Whatever I present here fs from the Books you have mentioned.I have read these books quite in detail and very carefully. It is quite possible what I am presenting in KARTA KARAK you understand that in other KARAKS where it is stated that the plural words can be considered as SINULAR but without change in Gender of the words. I may ask you one simle question and your answeby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, There is no doubt about this what is being stated as Vaheguru is formless in the sense that he does not have a Punj-Bhootak Chhavee or bodyi.e. does not have a material or physical body . But one can see that in Gurbanee the word ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ is the reference for a particular and specific Form of the CREATOR. GuR.PRABH or EKANKAAR..The Form is that of JOby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
In Gurbanee words one should not be selective in considering the application of grammatical indications. If any word is with a Matra of Aukad it has bo be considered as SINGULAR and the word without matra of Aukad under last word has to be considered as PLURAL . One should try to understand the meanings accordingly. One can see that for all NOUN words there is a deifinite pattern likby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ word is very very inportant and special word for understanding. My personal realisation about the meaning of this word is different from what we all know till date.. The meaning of this word ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ is given as FORMLESS. It is worth considering to what extent the meaning of this word should be understood as FORMLESS. From Gurbanee one canby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I think one should understand that Other than NAAMu...Every thing else is MAYA . Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
It is interesting to note that the actual word is ਰਹਾਉ and this should be pronounced as RAHAU-u not as RAHAO The last letter of the word ਰਹਾਉ is U with matra of Aukad . Since most of the messages in Gurbanee are in first person.So this words gives the meaning of PAUSE means I Pause.. Bhul chuk maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
In facts persons are being befooled by themselves not listening or accepting what Guru ji has been or is telling thru Gurbanee. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The wors "Tumaatee " is a Pronoun to mean as YOURS. The Quote means The Whole Game is Yours. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
If one gives a thinking to both the words ਆਨੰਦ & ਅਨੰਦ !! one may find that both the words are also used as ਆਨੰਦੁ and ਅਨੰਦੁ. with matra of Aukad under last letter D. So gramamatically both words find their use as SINGULAR and PLURAL so in this context these words are references for GuR JOTi. So far meanings of both words is concerned it is same. Bothby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
This is the real technique the game of life is going on. But simutaneously there is a message how to avoid from being FOOLED and that message is the only option as ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ But this is also possible thru the grace of True LORD only. So let every one understand as "SAB KHEL TUMAATEE" Bhul Chuk Maafby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
From observations of Gurbanee words based on matra of Aukad and Without matra of Aukad my understanding is that the words are basically as SINULAR or PLURAL i.e The word with a matra of AUKAD /DULAKAD is SINGULAR for Both the genders and the word without matra of Aukad is PLURAL for both the genders. based on above consideration one can see the different word asby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
ਜਾਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਜਾਤਾ ਅਕਲ ਕਲਾ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ॥ ਤੂੰ ਸਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸੁਆਲ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਉ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਤੀ ਸੋ ਪਾਰਿ ਪਇਆ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਰਤੇ ਕੀਆ ਬਾਤਾ ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਣਾ ਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ॥by prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One can see that any effect that keeps away from PARBRAHM,PARMESUR or SATiGuRU can be reffered as MAYA. From Gurbanee one can learn that MAYA is described with TRINITY of properties.The MAYA is also created by PRABHu itself. The path to MAYA and NAAMu go together.as can be understood from a Quote as "LIV DHAT DO RAHA CHALA-ee............................ The whole game of ones life isby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Here I take the opportunity of sharing my personal experience for the GRACE THRU NAAMu. I remember the days when my eldest son was preparing for his IIT entrance examinations in the year 1996. During this period there were hardly any coaching classes as we hahe today .This was only a personal effort.My sone used to remain disturbed about the success in the entrance examinations. At this moby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
There is a proverb as "NIP IN THE BUD". This has never been done in cases of so called Saints and Deras. Now when the problem has taken enormous shape the solution is not only difficut but impossible too. This situation is clearly the result of failure not being able to give proper knowledgde about who is Real Saint? Still a lot of can be improved if we all focus on SGGS ji as GuROOby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum