This is a very fundamental subject for everyone. There is no harm if the same is shared a fresh .Quite possible we may have some more claried views on this subject. Recently scientist have undertaken an experiment and found some thing being refered as GOD PARTICLE. Surprisingly from Gurbanee one can learn that the word GuROO is the reference for similar TUT(Indivisible Single Element) furby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Gurmat does not promote the idea that humans have evolved from Baandars (monkeys). Jo kichh paaiya so ika Vaar This is true.What we learn from Gurbanee relates to TRANSMIGARTION from one form to another rather than Evolution as envisaged by Darvins theory of Evolution. From Gurbanee it is equally important to understand the view about the CREATOR itself. I feel what we refer ONE that ONEby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
From Gurbanee we learn about the whole system of creation of the universe. We learn about the classification into four specific ZONES being refered as FOUR KHANEES. The whole creation of the System of four Zones is created by the interaction of different types of Waves. Ultimately all the forms stated to be 84 lacs are result of this interaction.So there is every possibilty of transformatiby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The role of grammatical indications along with various words is very crucial for directing the meanings to the particular word. The method of application of grammatical indications is very unique and if someone gets into the correct understanding of these indications there is no possibility of any confusion in getting the correct interpretation of gurbanee messages. It is really good to sby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Now it is important to realise how strong and united the Sikhs are.This is the result of our own way of \preachings and presentation of the basics of Sikhi.I feel somewere sikhs are already mentally divided which is relected in such actions which are obviously against any teachings which make any one true gursikh. The suggestion given by Kulbir Singh ji is very pragmatic and worth giving theby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
This needs to be confirmed whether the pronunciation of words in Gurbanee is left for the common sense of the reader of Gurbanee. Then this does not require any discussion except for making use of Common Sense..There may be different level of common sense for different persons. In this regard I can only say as long as any pronunciation does not affect the essense of the meaning of the wby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhai Kulbir Singh Jio, the most convincing touch Daas has ever read. Today it's like saying to an English man that "Would you like to add SOOGAR in your tea". VERY INTERESTING. One should always keep in mind that exceptions can never become a Rule. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
My understanding is that there is no concept of GOD in Sikhism. No where one learns from Gurbanee about GOD. GOD is a certainly a Divine Word for Western thinkers.So I am not against this word.But the use of Word GOD for any reference in Gurbanee is not admissible. This is so because the word GOD is grammatically SINGULAR, Single Number and Male Gender and its application does not meet gby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
SUKHDEEP SINGH Ji, In your message you mention that . So the four alphabets are ਵਾ, ਹਿ, ਗੁ, ਰੂ. It is surprising to note that the mentioned ALPHBETS are with some proper matra with the letter so can these be considered as Alphabets. I think that Alphabets are always without any matra. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Immediate start remembering WAHi GuROO within your heart.. Also try to connect yourself with Gurbanee as early as possible. It is only thru the grace of Sati GuRu there can be control over KRODH There is no other way out. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The word AKHAR ਅਖਰੁ mentioned in the quote is very important to understand. This word is onserved in Gurbanee for the ALPHABET as well as for single complete WORD. There is another meaning of this word that is "IMPERISHABLE" as an Adjective. one can see that in the quote ਏਕ ਅਖਰੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਬਸਤ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੋਤ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥1॥ The word ਅby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Gurmantar is made up of four akhars. Two of the letters ( words) are recited internally (non vocally) while the other two words are recited vocally ( out loud) with the tongue. SUKHDEEP SINGH Ji, Would you pl post any quote from Gurbanee for your above point"Gurmantar is made up of four Akhars" and What are these four specific Akhars.? Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One should give a thought to the following Quote from Gurbanee as ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਖਰ ਦੁਇ ਇਹ ਮਾਲਾ ॥ ਜਪਤ ਜਪਤ ਭਏ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲਾ ॥੧॥ ਕਰਉ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਪੁਨੀ ॥ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਦੇਹੁ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
VEER KULBIR SINGH Ji, I was inspired by the Board Message of this site as This site has been started with the mission to follow Gurmat Bibek and inspire others to do so as well. This site is dedicated to acquainting the world with Gurmat Bibek as enshrined in Gurbani and Gurmat literature. --------------------------------------------------- I am surprised to understanby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One should always be listening to Gurbanee and try to grasp the essence of the messages This is the only way one can know what to do and How to do. Only SatiGuRu may guide all of us to be on the path of meeting ABNAASEE PRABHu Thru GURMATi RAAM NAAMu. As I have understood the knowledge of GURMATi RAAM NAAMu is the only Gurmat from Gurbanee. VEER Kulbir Singh ji,I have taken the note ofby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
PREETAM SINGH Ji, The correct word is not HAR.HAR. (HARi is with a matra of Siharee). I am just presenting observations from Gurbanee.and I just feel so. One can verify that GuRu ji is saying so or not. I feel one must accept what GuRu ji is saying. Ultimately Baanee is of COMPLETE AND PERFECT GuRu. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
TEJASV Ji, There is nothing wrong in referening the two ALPHABETS(HARi.HARi) for KHASAMu.This is grammatically O.K. You can see that the word KHASAMu is with a matra of AUKAD under letterM so this is NOUN word and the TWO ALHABETS as is also NOUN . One can see that in Gurbanee these TWO ALPHABETS are very special for understanding the messages of Gurbanee related to NAAMu in particby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The only Solution given by our GuRu ji is as ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਜੀਅ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਹਿ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ਕਰਿ ॥ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਅਰਪਿ ਧਰਿ ॥ ਪੂਜਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਪੈਰ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਜਾਇ ਜਰਿ ॥ ਸਾਧ ਜਨਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਬby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One should not give any importance to those who are just nothing but THIEVES of the HOUSE OF NANAK. There is an everlasting fact that THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS. What GuRu NANAK ji is telling is beyond comprehension by such persons who run their own shop of falsehood. Therefore it would be more relevent to know the views of such persons about PUNJ SABAD then one can see what is Gurmati vieby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
ਹੋਇਗਾ ਖਸਮੁ ਤ ਲੇਇਗਾ ਰਾਖਿ ॥੩॥੩੩॥ I think it could mean that... if (ਹੋਇਗਾ) he's a Khasam, then he will ਰਾਖਿ Gursimran Singh ji ,You are right in yur interpretation but Who is He being refered. This reference is related to TWO ALPHABETS.. So one can also consider the whole meaning of the Quote as For ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Having gone thru so many Teekas available till date it is found that every where one gets the understanding about the reference of the very first SYMBOL as IK ONGKAAR. When one reads Gurbanee carefully one gets to know a reference as IKu EKANKAAR in Banee Sukhmani (AStapadee 10) There is no reference in Gurbanee where one gets to know ONGKAAR being refered as IK ONGKAAR. So it becomes vby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Considering the given quote as ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਅਖਰ ਦੁਇ ਭਾਖਿ ॥ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਖਸਮੁ ਤ ਲੇਇਗਾ ਰਾਖਿ ॥੩॥੩੩॥ Here Kabir Sahib ji is clearly telling about two alhabets What are these TWO ALPHABETS ? My understanding is that these Two Alphabets are " HARi HARi" A probable interpretation of the next line of the Quote can beby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I have gone thru almost every quote in Gurbanee related to the word "Khasamu" I find this word Khasamu in Gurbanee is always a referemce for Prabhu/Maalik and nowhere as enemy.. And I find the views ginven by Mystical23 are more pertinent and appropriate for understanding the true meanings of the message. Bhul Chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.S.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Mystical23 ji, For this reference I would suggest one to go thru any Basic Book of even English grammar and initially understand the complete grammar about NOUN words such as What is a Noun What are the types of Noun What is the classification of Noun For Gurmukhi readers also one can go thru any Basic grammar book of school level. This way one can gradually proceed for other aspecby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I fully agree with your views. One might be doing it differently because of sheer ignorance.Initially I have also been making such a mistake when a gursikh pointed me out I immediately accepted his suggestion and started the way you feel about this. Bhul chuk Maaf Daas Prakash.s.Baggaby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Could you please let us know what plural of Ekankaar means? Could you give a Gurbani Pankiti where "Ekankaar" is a plural? Kulbir Singh Veer Kulbir Ji, I am sure you have much better knowledge of grammar than me since I have been going thru your several post. This is a very preliminary question related to the very basic aspect of grammar that any NOUN/ADJECTIVE word is indicated witby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
It is more important to understand how Gurbanee grammar is different from Punjabi grammar. The grammar subject as such is very boring for any common person and there are many who do not accept that knowing grammar is so important and few go to the extent of saying there is nothing like grammar in Gurbanee. So there is such a spectrum of thinking about Gurbanee grammar. My personal experieby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Having gone thru the views presented by Mystical23 and Sukhdeep Singh ji i feel it is important to have absolute clear whether Numerical Number one should be taken as EK or IK. I personally feel that the correct understanding of Gurbanee is basically related to the correct pronunciation and its understanding as this is stated to be the ROOT of the Universe. There is very clear observation inby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
KULBIR SINGH Ji, VEER Ji, I have no intention of putting anyone in world of Dream.Gurbani is Reality so I believe that one is required to live with understanding of Gurbani in Gurmati way. Now what is Gurmati way this is important to know.What I have understood from Gurbani the Gurmati way is as per Mati of GuR that is GuR JoTi .One should therefore try to learn thru this GuR JoTi thisby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Mystical23 ji, Here is a quote from Gurbanee as ॥੧॥ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਧਿਆਇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਹਲਤਿ ਪਲਤਿ ਸਹਾਇ ਸੰਗੇ ਏਕ ਸਿਉ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਉ ॥੧॥ pp405 SGGS ji In this quote clearly the pair word "HARi.HARi" is being refered for NAAu as well. This makes clear that this pair word is reference for NAAu as weby prakash.s.bagga - Gurmat Discussion Forum