Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 19, 2016 04:03AM |
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Eating from the hands of non-smokers is the starting point of dietary bibek.
Eating from the hands of sikhs(sehajdharis + amritdharis) is next level of dietary bibek.
Eating from the hands of amritdharis only is next level of dietary bibek.
Eating from the hands of proper rehitvaan amritdharis is next level of dietary bibek.
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if a tyar bar tyar khalsa prepared food for you in plastic(plastic is evil)utensils, will u call it proper bibeki food ?
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There are two types of physical Rehit, one of them is mandatory for all Khalsa to follow, and is also instructed in Amrit Sanchaars by Panj Pyare. Following Gurmat, the minimal physical Rehit to be kept is:
-5 Kakaars (Dastaar to be a must)
-Free from 4 Bujjer Kurehats
-Nitnem and Naam (Naam Simran + 5 Baniaa during Amritvela, Rehraas Sahib in the evening and Sohila Sahib before going to bed)
Depending on the Jathebandi, and depending upon Panj Pyare, the minimal physical Rehit may variate, always aiming to add more, never falling below the above mentioned. It must be clarified, that there have been and still are Gurmukhs out there who have done immense amount of Naam Kamaee, yet they kept minimal Rehit instructed by the Panj Pyare Sahibaan. Many of these Gurmukhs have reached the Abode and merged with Vaheguroo.
The second type of physical Rehit is the one that is either added by the Panj directly, or by the Abhilakhi himself/herself. This part of physical Rehit are kept for OURSELVES, to control OUR MIND, and restraining it from wandering, thus making it easy to immerse in Naam with each and every breath:
-Bibek Rehit (eating from Amritdharis only who keep minimal Rehit=tyaar bar tyaar; in any type of utensils).
-Bana (committing to wear Gurmukhi Bana instead of Western Clothes)
-Doing Ishnaan twice a day instead of once only (Amritvela and before Rehraas Sahib)
-Reading more Baani (Sukhmani Sahib, Asa Ki Vaar, Basant Ki Vaar etc)
-Sarbloh Bibek (various levels, all are equally pleasant to Maharaj, as long as the actual task is being accomplished -> restraining mind from wandering which would automatically allow us for more Naam Kamai).
-Wearing more Shashtars
-Wearing Double Dastaaraa, wearing a longer Dastaar.
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Re: Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 23, 2016 09:08PM |
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Mere veer Kulbir Singh ji, references of rehitnamas or other texts is not necessary, go out veer and look at the panth with open eyes, this is where the panth is standing at, minimal rehit and extra rehit. Not every fact is stated in a book Let’s take AKJ as an example, majority of amrit sanchars do not mention sarbloh bibek, but does that mean we turn our backs from them? No, we need to work things out in pyar. Not attending akj smagams and cutting ties IS NOT GOING TO HELP, we ourselves need to be full of those virtues mentioned by gsingh, then only those around us will get inspired and start changing – and there comes KHALSA RAAJ
Re: Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 23, 2016 10:03PM |
Re: Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 24, 2016 03:59AM |
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The funny thing is how you are accusing me of making a new theory, which daas did not even, read again, I said this is the sad REALITY, and I never said that we should start following the majority did I?
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There are two types of physical Rehit, one of them is mandatory for all Khalsa to follow, and is also instructed in Amrit Sanchaars by Panj Pyare. Following Gurmat, the minimal physical Rehit to be kept is:
-5 Kakaars (Dastaar to be a must)
-Free from 4 Bujjer Kurehats
-Nitnem and Naam (Naam Simran + 5 Baniaa during Amritvela, Rehraas Sahib in the evening and Sohila Sahib before going to bed)
Depending on the Jathebandi, and depending upon Panj Pyare, the minimal physical Rehit may variate, always aiming to add more, never falling below the above mentioned. It must be clarified, that there have been and still are Gurmukhs out there who have done immense amount of Naam Kamaee, yet they kept minimal Rehit instructed by the Panj Pyare Sahibaan. Many of these Gurmukhs have reached the Abode and merged with Vaheguroo.
The second type of physical Rehit is the one that is either added by the Panj directly, or by the Abhilakhi himself/herself. This part of physical Rehit are kept for OURSELVES, to control OUR MIND, and restraining it from wandering, thus making it easy to immerse in Naam with each and every breath:
-Bibek Rehit (eating from Amritdharis only who keep minimal Rehit=tyaar bar tyaar; in any type of utensils).
-Bana (committing to wear Gurmukhi Bana instead of Western Clothes)
-Doing Ishnaan twice a day instead of once only (Amritvela and before Rehraas Sahib)
-Reading more Baani (Sukhmani Sahib, Asa Ki Vaar, Basant Ki Vaar etc)
-Sarbloh Bibek (various levels, all are equally pleasant to Maharaj, as long as the actual task is being accomplished -> restraining mind from wandering which would automatically allow us for more Naam Kamai).
-Wearing more Shashtars
-Wearing Double Dastaaraa, wearing a longer Dastaar.
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Mere veer Kulbir Singh ji, references of rehitnamas or other texts is not necessary, go out veer and look at the panth with open eyes, this is where the panth is standing at, minimal rehit and extra rehit. Not every fact is stated in a book Let’s take AKJ as an example, majority of amrit sanchars do not mention sarbloh bibek
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ਫਰੀਦਾਜੇਤੂਅਕਲਿਲਤੀਫੁਕਾਲੇਲਿਖੁਨਲੇਖ ॥
Fareed, if you have a keen understanding, then do not write black marks against anyone else.
ਆਪਨੜੇਗਿਰੀਵਾਨਮਹਿਸਿਰੁਨੀਵਾਂਕਰਿਦੇਖੁ ॥੬॥
Look underneath your own collar instead. ||6||
Salok Baba Sheikh Farid
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The point is we should not label those who may not keep the same standards oh Rehit we do but are still striving to keep Sarbloh Rehit, we should shower them with Pyaar, not call them Kurehtis or turn away from them, we should keep doing ardaasan so that we ourselves don't fall into trap of haume, (including Moorakhs like daas, I would be number one grinning smiley but still, I hope one day I can ideally keep Rehit in proper way) Rehitvaan Gursikhs don't get hated on as much if they're Naam Khanda strong and them virtues don't lack, people automatically get attracted to them, such souls are rare like Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Ji.
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Re: Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 24, 2016 01:10PM |
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However I've only seen online posts by strict toronto singhs saying that bana 24/7 is a required rehit. Now will you kindly post a preference from authentic rehitname that this is a requirement. Even strict India singhs don't do prachaar of 24/7 bana as a must, so it's a new term I've heard in recent years. Has Bhai Randhir Singh written such a chapter that 24/7 bana is a must in the same way he has written about all other rehits (kesi ishnaaan, kakaars, sarbloh bibek etc) Strict India Singhs don't ask about a 24/7 bana. They judge your level of sarblohi rehit strictness level before allowing you sewa in their strict standard langars. You seem to have started a new standard in modern times.
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But yes! They do say being present in bana in hazorri of Guru Granth Sahib ji and sangat is imporant, but don't say one who doesnt wear bana all the time is dhilla.
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Please don't refer to any personal gursikhs you have done sangat with, in modern times, to try and prove this. Pratan Singhs don't say this. So one doesn't have the right to say 24/7 bana is a rehit without proof.
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You're talk is definitely different from pratan singhs and india strict singhs. Noone in india, including pratan, asks for 24/7 bana as a requirement for doing sewa of punj, degh, langar etc
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Adding new requirements based on personal opinion is just as bad as lessening requirements.
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It's important to be honest so I do hope you are being honest when you say you don't secretly discuss people's dhills.
We are not muslims where we can lie or twist the truth, in religious debates, just to win the argument.
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It is also mandatory for waheguru-seeking sikhs to be trustworthy. This means if someone confides in you, keep it to yourself. If you learn of someone's mistakes keep it to yourself. Of course you don't include them in certain sewa until they sort out their dhills, but don't look down on them or spread it to ruin their reputation.
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That was my mistake. The reason for my post was because I thought Toronto Singhs made 24/7 Bana a requirement for sewa where praatan singhs did not. This incorrect assumption is what inspired my post.Quote
First of all, Sarblohi Gursikhs in Toronto don’t stop anyone from doing any Seva based on whether Baana is kept 24/7 or not.
Thank you for correcting my incorrect information. I also agree bana must be worn during seva. Nothing wrong with parchaar for us to strive to wear bana as much as we can. Many India gursikhs do this naturally though.Quote
Similarly Gursikhs in Toronto do Parchaar of wearing only Gurmukhi Baana and not wearing shameless Western clothes but don’t stop anyone from doing any Seva, if Gurmukhi Baana is not worn 24/7, as long as they wear Gurmukhi Baana while doing Seva.
You took this quite personally. Any personal gursikhs after the era of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh (India and outside India)Quote
I have not quoted “personal gursikhs” and I do have some idea as to which “personal gursikh” you seem to have an allergy
That's great to inspire and promote 24/7 bana, I mistakenly thought you had changed the system from pratan gurmukhs, but you have clarified that.Quote
As per the quotes quoted above, my talk is not different from Puraatan Singhs. Like Puraatan Gursikhs and taking lead from them, we ask and inspire people to take up Gurmukhi Baana 24/7 but don’t stop them from doing any Seva if they don’t keep this Rehit.
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It's important to be honest so I do hope you are being honest when you say you don't secretly discuss people's dhills.
We are not muslims where we can lie or twist the truth, in religious debates, just to win the argument.
You are getting personal now. If you want to get personal and if you want to ask personal questions, I may answer them if you disclose your real name and identity, so that I may understand the motive behind your questions. The issue here is not whether we discuss someone’s dhill secretly or not. To even bring up this, in this thread is absurd and illogical.
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It is also mandatory for waheguru-seeking sikhs to be trustworthy. This means if someone confides in you, keep it to yourself. If you learn of someone's mistakes keep it to yourself. Of course you don't include them in certain sewa until they sort out their dhills, but don't look down on them or spread it to ruin their reputation.
Again, you have deviated from the subject of the thread and are making some personal accusation based on hearsay. Please identify yourself and then ask personal questions. I totally agree that we should not look down on people who are weak in Rehit, and should not ruin their reputation. As mentioned before, many of our companions are weak in outer Rehit of Khalsa and they are never looked down or made to feel bad about it.
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I asked for a quote from Bhai Sahib because I've read in Gurmat Bibek (don't have page number) that after amrit shak, Khalsaa japs naam with each breath and wears khalsa bana. In this case there would be two options only,
1- both 24/7 simran and bana are compulsory
2- both the above are not compulsory but khalsa should strive for it and Bhai Sahib has written that to inspire us to follow that
You have stated that 24/7 simran is not mandatory requirement. The point I wanted to make was that we can't pick and choose one.
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However your talk is at least a little different from Puratan Singhs. One example - Purtan Singhs lovingly used to say one should wear khanda on dastar if inner naam khanda is going on with full force. However you disagree with this. Not creating an argument on this particular point but please admit there is at least some difference in sochni.
Re: Proper dietary bibek of Khalsa must have SARBLOH! April 25, 2016 06:53AM |
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ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁਖਾਣਾਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁਪੈਨਣਾਨਾਨਕਨਾਮੁਵਡਾਈਹੋਇ ॥੧॥
The Ambrosial Amrit is his food, and the Ambrosial Amrit is his clothes; O Nanak, through the Naam, the Name of the Lord, greatness is obtained. ||1||
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"ਇਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਅਨਮਤੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਰੀਸੇ ਅਨਮਤੀ ਬਾਣੇ ਪਹਿਨਣ ਵਿਚ ਖੱਜਲ ਖੁਆਰ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਫਿਰੇ..."
Please do not misinterpret the meaning of the above. First of all, Bhai Sahib uses the word ਰੀਸ (copy), there are Gurmukhs out there that have to wear Western Clothes not out of ਿੲੱਿਛਅਾ (desire) but out of ਮਜਬੂਰੀ. Those Gurmukhs do not purposedly do ਰੀਸ of Western people, more like they have wear such clothes under certain circumstances (eg Police Officers, Army, or other jobs where wearing Bana can not be allowed). So there are exceptions in this Rehit, one who can, deffinetely should, but if circumstances do not allow then it is not against Gurmat to wear pant-shirt or uniform.
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Secondly, the phrase ਖੱਜਲ ਖੁਆਰ does not necessarily mean suffering, I do not know why you are taking the word into such a negative meaning in this context,