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Re: what do you do when someone becomes patit? February 12, 2010 11:12AM |
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What if someone cuts their kesh, feels bad about it, recognizes it as a mistake due to their weakness but does not have immediate plans to keep their kesh again (although they claim they will eventually but have no timetable)? Should this person be boycotted?
Also, many patits today become patits not because of defiance but because of weakness and confusion.
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Re: what do you do when someone becomes patit? April 12, 2010 01:26PM |
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Kulbir Singh
It is sad to see someone fall but we should be very careful in how we deal with this situation. Here are some suggestions:
1) If the Patit person is feeling remorse and wants to mend his ways, then he (or she) should be encouraged to get pesh. There is nothing wrong in keeping dealings with such person. Of course eating from such person is not an option, nor can such person do other sewas like Siri Akhand Paath raul, Kirtan, Langar sewa etc. but such person should be given love and respect, so that he gets encouraged to get pesh.
2) If the Patit person does not feel remorse and is defiant, such person should be avoided and there is no need to give unsolicitated advice to such person.
3) If the Patit person described in "2" above is a loved one, then too he should be avoided but then there is nothing wrong in doing ardaas and paath for such person.
4) Don't hate the Patit person and don't mock him. This is a very dangerous thing to do. This upsets Guru Sahib very much and one who mocks others, especially a fallen person, surely gets entangled in a similar situation as a result of this bad Karma. So don't ever hate or look down on a Patit person. Have fear of Guru Sahib.
Re: what do you do when someone becomes patit? April 12, 2010 01:42PM |
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i have finally talked to the person in question. they said that they felt like an impostor... wearing bana but feeling empty inside. they said they didn't fit in with their sangat (there are very few who keep bana in our area), and didn't want sangat to feel they were so different. they said they still are the same person as before, only with different roop, etc.
not sure where this fits in. i guess i'd say they do not feel remorse, but i don't know that they're defiant either. i think it's a case of lack of gursikh sangat and lack of faith in guru sahib to solve all obstacles. i wish i had known earlier. i wish i could have done something to help.