Bikrami Calendar may be back for Sikh events

Bhai Jasjit Singh Jio,

There are some things which were not created by Guru Jee but being touched by Guru Jee, it became a part of Sikh tradition. Now land of Punjab was in existance much before our Gurus became physically Pargat in this world, but because this land is the land of our Gurus, Shaheeds and itihaasik Gur Asthaans, land of Punjab has sentimental value for the Sikh people, no other land in the world can replace the sentimental value Punjab holds in the hearts of the Sikhs people.

Another example of something that existed before our Gurus became pargat is of the Punjabi language which our Gurus spoke in or even Gurmukhi script which is based on the old Landa script. Some modifications were made on it and it was then used by our Guru Sahib in writing Gurbani. This is the reason Gurmukhi script holds a special religious value for the Sikhs. Today Sikhs feel they are duty bound to protect this script and Punjabi language so much so that we cannot imagine writing Punjabi in any other script no matter how better or logical it may seem.

Similarly Bikrami Calendar existed much before the Guru period, but it became a part of Sikh tradition over time starting with the Gurus who used this same calendar. Gurpurabs since the time of the Gurus were observed by the Gurus using Bikrami calendar. Months of the Bikrami calendar were used as the bases for the Bani of Bara Maha, after this how can we even think of getting rid of this calendar? So certainly somethings are not created by Guru Jee, but being touched by the Gurus, it has become an inseparable part of Sikh religious tradition.

Bhai Sahib Jio, you say Nanakshahi calendar is more accurate and so it is more logical. But somethings are beyond the scope of logic derived from scientific measurements. What a Sikh feels for something that is touched by our Gurus cannot be measured by logic. You can only feel it.

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Look at this prampra, at the time of Sri Guru Hargobind and Sri Guru Gobind Singh Paatshah Sri Guru jee asked Singhs to bring horses to prepare for battle but in recent time Baba Jairnail Singh Jee asked Singh's to keep motorcycles to be ready for Jang. Does that mean Baba Jee broke Guru Sahib's prampra of horses?

Look at it this way, Guru Sahib gave kakkars to His Sikhs. Can we replace wooden Kanga with a plastic Kanga? or can a stainless steel Kirpan replace our Sarbloh Kirpan because it makes more sense in today's advance world to do so? No we can't.

At least Sikhs should celebrate the Gurpurabs according to Bikrami because this is how our Gurus and Brahmgianis for the last 500 years have celebrated it. OH Sikhs! why would you want to do something differently than them? If it was accurate for them then it it is accurate for us too. Since observing Gurpurabs are a religious matter and Gurus only used Bikrami calendar to celebrate Gurpurabs, then Bikrami calendar has also become a religious matter. It is no longer just about a way of measuring time.

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Conformism is not the answer for anything.

Inder singh Jio, It's not conformism as you think. It's just bringing event dates in order of solar dates. Tropical solar year is used which is universally accepted for CE calendar and more accurate than others.

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We have our heritage and we need to retain that. Sikh history testifies that Guru
sahib asked sikhs to assemble on amawas and pooranmasi so that sikh teachings are propagated. Sikhs continue to do that
not that these are auspicious days but to follow traditions of Guru period.

Having amawas and pooranmasi days in NanakShahi Calendar, it complies to your requirement. There should be no quarrel over this.

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Likewise Bikrami calendar is our heritage.Had it been a bad one our gurus would not have followed it.

I have no idea why Bikrami calendar is Sikh heritage to you. If a Hindu says that then it understandable. But if your point is Bikrami calendar was followed in historically and we shouldn't forget that then no one is against it. Bikrami calendar remain associated with Sikh history as same Julian calendar is associated even after switch over to Gregorian calender in CE more than 500 years ago.

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It is purewal's calendar which bundle many gurpurabs (sometimes two or three) on a single day.Do not blame it on dhumma for ills of Purewal calendar.

It's blunder of Dhuma Shaap calendar which reignited the issue because of event that took place in DEC 2014.

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May be tommorrow sikhs migrate to Muslim countries in large numbers.THose countries have their own calendar and Friday is their
weekend. Some sikh from there may say Muslim calendar is better.Shall we start following that?

I don't know what you mean by this, India was ruled by Mulisms for 6-7 centuries, if there was a point of conformity then it would have done much earlier. Not to wait for is Sikhs will migrate to Muslim countries.

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Those who like conformism may do
so on individual basis and should not run down panthic traditions.

Exactly, Nanakshaahi calender was adopted as per Panthic traditions so any one wants to follow otherwise, should do so as per your suggestion.

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There are some things which were not created by Guru Jee but being touched by Guru Jee, it became a part of Sikh tradition. Now land of Punjab was in existance much before our Gurus became physically Pargat in this world, but because this land is the land of our Gurus, Shaheeds and itihaasik Gur Asthaans, land of Punjab has sentimental value for the Sikh people, no other land in the world can replace the sentimental value Punjab holds in the hearts of the Sikhs people.

Another example of something that existed before our Gurus became pargat is of the Punjabi language which our Gurus spoke in or even Gurmukhi script which is based on the old Landa script. Some modifications were made on it and it was then used by our Guru Sahib in writing Gurbani. This is the reason Gurmukhi script holds a special religious value for the Sikhs. Today Sikhs feel they are duty bound to protect this script and Punjabi language so much so that we cannot imagine writing Punjabi in any other script no matter how better or logical it may seem.

Nimana Jio,

We love our homeland Punjab not only because ours Guru's parkaash asthans but because Guru Sahib have also created Sri Harminder Sahib and Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib there. Every Sikh love the more than their breath.

As you mentioned, an old script is modified by Guru Sahib and now it is known as Gurmukhi. Gurmukhi is creation of GuruSahib and Gurusahib has instructed to follow it as such.

Bikrami calender is not creation of Guru Sahib, not even instructed by Guru Sahib that we must follow the same. So fight over Bikrami is baseless.

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Bhai Sahib Jio, you say Nanakshahi calendar is more accurate and so it is more logical.

Not only logical but came through a process of approval of Panth.

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But somethings are beyond the scope of logic derived from scientific measurements. What a Sikh feels for something that is touched by our Gurus cannot be measured by logic. You can only feel it.

I would 100% agree if someone is trying to attack Naam-Bani and Rehat-Rehini using logic of science. But this is not the case here.

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Look at it this way, Guru Sahib gave kakkars to His Sikhs. Can we replace wooden Kanga with a plastic Kanga? or can a stainless steel Kirpan replace our Sarbloh Kirpan because it makes more sense in today's advance world to do so? No we can't.

Kakkars are part our Rehat given by Guru Sahib there is no question about that. Your point is valid if we were discussing Kakkars here.

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At least Sikhs should celebrate the Gurpurabs according to Bikrami because this is how our Gurus and Brahmgianis for the last 500 years have celebrated it. OH Sikhs! why would you want to do something differently than them? If it was accurate for them then it it is accurate for us too. Since observing Gurpurabs are a religious matter and Gurus only used Bikrami calendar to celebrate Gurpurabs, then Bikrami calendar has also become a religious matter. It is no longer just about a way of measuring time.

This point was answered in earlier post.

JASJIT SINGH Wrote:
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> Nimana Jio,
>
> We love our homeland Punjab not only because ours
> Guru's parkaash asthans but because Guru Sahib
> have also created Sri Harminder Sahib and Sri
> Akaal Takhat Sahib there. Every Sikh love the more
> than their breath.
>
> As you mentioned, an old script is modified by
> Guru Sahib and now it is known as Gurmukhi.
> Gurmukhi is creation of GuruSahib and Gurusahib
> has instructed to follow it as such.
>
> Bikrami calender is not creation of Guru Sahib,
> not even instructed by Guru Sahib that we must
> follow the same. So fight over Bikrami is
> baseless.

Jasjit Singh Jio, the point I was making is, neither is land of Punjab or Punjabi language a creation of Guru Sahib. But we still love Punjab and Punjabi language do we not? we love it because Punjab is the land of our Gurus and Punjabi language is the language they spoke in. Similarly Bikrami calendar was not created by Guru Sahib but it was extensively used Guru Jee and they even blessed it and made it our own when they used the Months of the Bikrami calendar as the bases for Bara Maha Bani.

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Not only logical but came through a process of
approval of Panth.

Bhai Sahib Jio, have you seen Col Nishan Singh Jee's videos where he tells how this calendar was forced on the Panth largely by the influence of Chandigarh based followers of Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana. Even today it is mainly those types of people like missionaries who are pushing for this calendar's re implementation. Those people do not have any Shardha in Bani or Sikh traditions neither do they keep basic rehit. But more importantly what use is such a calendar which has resulted in putting more disunity in the Panth.

For Jatha at least, when Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee himself observed dates according to Bikrami calendar like countess Sikhs before him, does that mean they were observing Gurpurabs on the wrong dates? A Brahmgiani is Jaani Jaan. they know everything. They have knowledge of the seen and unseen world that ordinary people do not possess. Before you say Bhai Sahib Jee just observed it because that is how the Panth also observed it, but we know from Bhai Sahib jee's life that he did not follow what the majority did. He only followed Gurmat. At his time, he is the only one who said Keski is kakkar while majority of Panth said it is Kesh, he said eating meat is Krahit while at the time majority of ordinary Amritdharis of his time period did Chatka and ate meat.

Jasjit singh ji wrote

It's blunder of Dhuma Shaap calendar which reignited the issue because of event that took place in DEC 2014.
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Jasjit singh ji

Sikhs were following Purewal calendar approved by SGPC from 2003 to 2010.Per purewal calendar following gurpurabs were on same day on sept 16, 2010.

September 16th

Joti Jot - Sahib Siri Guru Amar Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Gurgaddee - Sahib Siri Guru Ram Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Joti Jot - Sahib Siri Guru Ram Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Gurgaddee - Sahib Siri Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Jee Maharaj

This is just one example of purewal calendar that has all dates fake not related sikh history.

Jasjit singh wrote

I have no idea why Bikrami calendar is Sikh heritage to you. If a Hindu says that then it understandable. But if your point is Bikrami calendar was followed in historically and we shouldn't forget that then no one is against it. Bikrami calendar remain associated with Sikh history as same Julian calendar is associated even after switch over to Gregorian calender in CE more than 500 years ago.
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My reply

Bikrami calendar is heritage of brave people of Punjab since 57 BC. Our guru sahiban have used dates of this calendar in their writings.Guru Gobind singh ji's writings quote this calendar extensively.It is not a Hindu calendar but has its origin in Iran and was known as malva calendar.
It is confined to Punjab and haryana region.Vikramadatiya is a title of Hindu kings and not a name.First king of this title happened to live 400 years after the starting date of this calendar.It is important to mention that people of North western India and Iran were very intelligent and had their own calendars even in 2000 bC.

Western travellers to Punjab under sikh ruler Maharaja Ranjit Singh mention this calendar being followed in sikh kingdom. They write that sikhs call it Bikrami calendar and Vikrami calendar. Ranjit singh kingdom had followers of Hindu and Muslim faith as well.All followed this calendar.Sikhs under Ranjit singh's rule had celebrated persons who had knowledge of Astronomy and mathematics. Lehna singh Majithia was one of them.Obviously our forefathers lived in Punjab and hence it is our heritage.

It is a sheer propaganda to call it a RSS calendar. RSS originated in Maharashtra.This state and likewise other states of India for example Gujerat, madras, Kerala, bengal etc have their own separate calendars. They do not follow Bikrami calendar.

Bhai Sahib Jio, have you seen Col Nishan Singh Jee's videos where he tells how this calendar was forced on the Panth largely by the influence of Chandigarh based followers of Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana. Even today it is mainly those types of people like missionaries who are pushing for this calendar's re implementation. Those people do not have any Shardha in Bani or Sikh traditions neither do they keep basic rehit. But more importantly what use is such a calendar which has resulted in putting more disunity in the

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My response
Ever since aftermath of 1984, there are forces created among sikhs especially in western countries who are dividing sikhs by attacking
our scriptures,history and traditions. It started with throwing mud on bani of Dasam pita,pushing Purewal's Nanakshahi calendar through back door etc.

Same forces are condemning essence of teachings of Guru Granth sahib openly such as calling Naam simran as parroting,no significance of Amrit vela,waheguru is not gurumantra. They are also bad mouthing sikh mahapurashs.

Now they are attacking bhagat bani in Sri Guru Granth sahib and Bhai Gurdas ji vaars.At same time they are disputing sikh history saying there were no chali muktas, There was no Bhai Bala ji, Mecca did not turn, hand imprint at Panja sahib is fake,baba deep singh ji's head did not come off.

It is duty of every gursikh to confront such forces who are operating under garb of sikhs.
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Recently there was a lecture of Dr Harbhajan singh at gurudwara Fremont,california.His subject was Bhai Gurdas ji dian vaars.He explained how vaars are under attack by missionaries.

He touched other subjects also that are under attack by missionaries.Gurpal singh Hansra member of committee of Gurudwara Fremont sahib brought out this information in a punjabi newspaper for awareness of sangat.

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Jasjit Singh Jio, the point I was making is, neither is land of Punjab or Punjabi language a creation of Guru Sahib. But we still love Punjab and Punjabi language do we not? we love it because Punjab is the land of our Gurus and Punjabi language is the language they spoke in. Similarly Bikrami calendar was not created by Guru Sahib but it was extensively used Guru Jee and they even blessed it and made it our own when they used the Months of the Bikrami calendar as the bases for Bara Maha Bani.

Nimana Jio,

Daas showed you that even though land is creation of Akaal Purakh but land of Punjab is blessed by Guru Sahib not only because they have their Aagmans there but also they have created this world's beautiful place Sachkand Sri Harmandir Sahib and Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib. Followed by countless Shaheedis on this land. Even though Khalsa Panth missed the Parkaash Asthaan of Sri Nanakana Sahib and other Asthaan in 1947 but didn't tolerate if any one touches Sri Harmandir Sahib and Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib. June 1984 Saka is a witness.

Punjab is said to be:

ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਸਦਾ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਂ ਤੇ
Did you ever hear ਬਿਕਰਮੀ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਵਸਦਾ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਂ ਤੇ.

Again Gurmukhi script is creation of Guru Sahib and given to Sikhs by themselves.

Barahmaha is used as a tool to convey the message of Gurmat Philosophy that
ਕਿਰਤਿ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਵੀਛੁੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਚਾਰਿ ਕੁੰਟ ਦਹ ਦਿਸ ਭ੍ਰਮੇ ਥਕਿ ਆਏ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਸਾਮ ॥
Ending padda of this bani clearly explained the Tat Saar of using Barahmaha:

ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਕਾਜ ਸਰੇ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚਿ ਖਰੇ ॥
ਸਰਬ ਸੁਖਾ ਨਿਧਿ ਚਰਣ ਹਰਿ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਬਿਖਮੁ ਤਰੇ ॥
ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਤਿਨ ਪਾਈਆ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਹਿ ਜਰੇ ॥
ਕੂੜ ਗਏ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਨਸੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਚਿ ਭਰੇ ॥
ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੇਵਦੇ ਮਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਏਕੁ ਧਰੇ ॥
ਮਾਹ ਦਿਵਸ ਮੂਰਤ ਭਲੇ ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕੁ ਮੰਗੈ ਦਰਸ ਦਾਨੁ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰੇ ॥੧੪॥੧॥

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Bhai Sahib Jio, have you seen Col Nishan Singh Jee's videos where he tells how this calendar was forced on the Panth largely by the influence of Chandigarh based followers of Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana. Even today it is mainly those types of people like missionaries who are pushing for this calendar's re implementation. Those people do not have any Shardha in Bani or Sikh traditions neither do they keep basic rehit. But more importantly what use is such a calendar which has resulted in putting more disunity in the Panth.

I see how GurSikhs veers like you are getting trapped by false propaganda of Dhuma led Sant Samaji followers. Whereas Nanakshahai calendar itself is quite evident that opinions of Sant Samaj was taken into consideration by calendar committee, that is why you see Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee's Gurpurab, Holla Mohalla and BandiChoor divas as per Bikrami dates. Moreover Pooranmaashi, Amavaysa and Sangrand were brought back into calendar in 2003 release. In light of this no further explanation is needed.

However, If you don't to want believe this Daas then see what Sardar Dilgeer said couple of years ago to Time of India newspaper about the involvement of Sant Samaj in NanakSahahi calendar. This is his exact quote from newspaper:

Urging Sikhs to reject the calendar, Dilgeer accused Purewal of being handin-glove with fundamental Hindu organisations. Interestingly, Kashmira Singh of the Sant Samaj, Nihangs belonging to the Santa Singh group and a section of the Nirmaliyas, all of whom had vehemently opposed the new calendar, supported Purewal's calendar more than anyone else in the March 28 meeting.

It clearly mentioned that Sant Samaj which opposed calendar before supported Purewal's calendar more than anyone else.

This is an important piece of information which can't be denied.

So the fact remained untainted that Nanakshaahi calendar came out through a of process of approval from both parties.

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Jasjit singh ji wrote

It's blunder of Dhuma Shaap calendar which reignited the issue because of event that took place in DEC 2014.
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Jasjit singh ji

Sikhs were following Purewal calendar approved by SGPC from 2003 to 2010.Per purewal calendar following gurpurabs were on same day on sept 16, 2010.

September 16th

Joti Jot - Sahib Siri Guru Amar Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Gurgaddee - Sahib Siri Guru Ram Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Joti Jot - Sahib Siri Guru Ram Das Sahib Jee Maharaj
Gurgaddee - Sahib Siri Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Jee Maharaj

This is just one example of purewal calendar that has all dates fake not related sikh history.

Inder Singh Jio,

Whether September 16th dates are fake or not was not subject of this thread. They are real, I will leave this for separate discussion.

Subject of this discussion was confusion created in December 2014 for Shaheedi and Gurpurab dates clashing in December 28th. Please read news post again, I am posting the subject matter for your convenience:

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Why the change

The confusion due to the amended Nanakshahi Calendar was always there

But the scenario turned more chaotic this time after the Sikh clergy announced a new date for celebratingGuru Gobind Singh's birth anniversary
As the Gurpurb was coinciding with the martyrdom day of Sahibzadas on December 28, the high priests announced the Gurpurb on January 7

It resulted into three dates for the Gurpurb, which was falling on January 5 as per the original Nanakshahi Calendar

Within a week, Akal Takht was forced to make a volte face as a majority of the Sikhs had made preparations for celebrating the event on December 28
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Now prove that the above chaotic was brought by Nanakshaahi Calendar 2003 not by Dhuma Shaap calender (amended Nanakshaahi calendar).

Listen carefully:

IF YOU PROVE THAT DUMMASHAAP CALENDAR WAS NOT THE CAUSE and IT WAS NANAKSHAHI CALENDAR 2003 WHICH MESSED UP THE DATES OF SAHIBZAADA SHAHEEDI AND GURU SAHIB'S PARKASH PURAB DATES ON DECEMBER 28, 2014 then this DAAS JASJIT SINGH WILL COME TO YOUR FEET AND ACCEPT BIKRAMI CALENDAR TO BE RIGHT CHOICE. OTHERWISE YOU WILL ACCEPT NANAKSHAAHI CALENDAR 2003 IS THE RIGHT CHOICE OR STOP SPREADING FALSE PROPAGANDA.

Now go ahead and prove this.

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Jasjit Singh
Listen carefully:

IF YOU PROVE THAT DUMMASHAAP CALENDAR WAS NOT THE CAUSE and IT WAS NANAKSHAHI CALENDAR 2003 WHICH MESSED UP THE DATES OF SAHIBZAADA SHAHEEDI AND GURU SAHIB'S PARKASH PURAB DATES ON DECEMBER 28, 2014 then this DAAS JASJIT SINGH WILL COME TO YOUR FEET AND ACCEPT BIKRAMI CALENDAR TO BE RIGHT CHOICE. OTHERWISE YOU WILL ACCEPT NANAKSHAAHI CALENDAR 2003 IS THE RIGHT CHOICE OR STOP SPREADING FALSE PROPAGANDA.

Now go ahead and prove this.

Chota veer

Bhai Jasjit Singh Jio

My view on this is, when there is an issue that is causing disunity and problems among Singhs then it is best to resolve the issue by asking ourselves "what did Guru Jee do". This is the question a Sikh should always anchor towards when there is dubida in his mind on a subject.

Now Both Bikrami and Nanakshahi supporters agree that our Gurus used Bikrami calendar when they were here physically, this is an undisputed fact. Logically a Sikh should gravitate to opinions to match with what Guru Jee did. Surely when a Sikh does what Guru jee did, he cannot go wrong on the issue. So that is why in my opinion while Nanakshahi supporters may or may not be wrong, but it is for 100% sure that Bikrami supporters are not wrong for using Bikrami calendar, because if they are wrong then that would mean our Gurus were wrong for they also used Bikrami calendar when observing Gurpurabs. And we know for a fact that Guru Jee can never be wrong on anything. They are flawless and infallible in every way while we are not.

In the end Jasjit Singh Jio I really do respect you and I am impressed by your knowledge on this subject.

Jasjit singh ji wrote

Inder Singh Jio,

Whether September 16th dates are fake or not was not subject of this thread. They are real, I will leave this for separate discussion.

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JaSJIT SINGH JI

There are four gurpurabs falling on same date. It was purewal lobby that was accusing Bikrami calendar for such episodes. Now his own calendar has same flaws.

Also watch Prof anurag singh's speech on Jan 5

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Jasjit s ji wrote

IF YOU PROVE THAT DUMMASHAAP CALENDAR WAS NOT THE CAUSE and IT WAS NANAKSHAHI CALENDAR 2003 WHICH MESSED UP THE DATES OF SAHIBZAADA SHAHEEDI AND GURU SAHIB'S PARKASH PURAB DATES ON DECEMBER 28, 2014 then this DAAS JASJIT SINGH WILL COME TO YOUR FEET AND ACCEPT BIKRAMI CALENDAR TO BE RIGHT CHOICE. OTHERWISE YOU WILL ACCEPT NANAKSHAAHI CALENDAR 2003 IS THE RIGHT CHOICE OR STOP SPREADING FALSE PROPAGANDA.

Now go ahead and prove this.

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My response

We must keep in mind that events occurring in Bikrami Calendar are on natural dates.

On other hand Purewal gave a calendar with fake dates and fake sangrads. If it happens this with arbitrarily imposed dates
then he should be taken to task.

When a designer presents a new invention he also gives back up or desing calculations for records.Purewal did give nothing.
Just a faulty calendar without telling that his base year is 1999 and not 1469.This is an outright fraud.

Jasjit singh wrote

I see how GurSikhs veers like you are getting trapped by false propaganda of Dhuma led Sant Samaji followers. Whereas Nanakshahai calendar itself is quite evident that opinions of Sant Samaj was taken into consideration by calendar committee, that is why you see Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee's Gurpurab, Holla Mohalla and BandiChoor divas as per Bikrami dates. Moreover Pooranmaashi, Amavaysa and Sangrand were brought back into calendar in 2003 release. In light of this no further explanation is needed.

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Jasjit singh ji

Above is not correct.Did you not see Col nishan's video on TV show in BC where he says that previously he was in committee and was excluded within a week by an eleven member committee formed under Darshan singh. If you contest this i will post same video again.

Col nishan is not sant samaj.he is a professional who has no axe to grind and is imbued with love for sikhi.

Sant samaj never accepted any new calendar and they were never part of purewal calendar negotiations. Guru Nanak dev ji's birthday is on full moonlight night.So purewal did not have any trick to fix it permanently as it is connected with phase of moon.Guru Gobind singh ji's birthday is on seventh day of waxing moon in poh, so purewal played a trick to fix it permanently on Jan 5. Common sense dictates that lunar calendar dates cann't be prefixed permanently.

Had it been so christains would not be celebrating Easter per lunar calendar each year on a different date on Gregorian calendar.

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"Bhai Jasjit Singh Jio

My view on this is, when there is an issue that is causing disunity and problems among Singhs then it is best to resolve the issue by asking ourselves \"what did Guru Jee do\". This is the question a Sikh should always anchor towards when there is dubida in his mind on a subject.

Now Both Bikrami and Nanakshahi supporters agree that our Gurus used Bikrami calendar when they were here physically, this is an undisputed fact. Logically a Sikh should gravitate to opinions to match with what Guru Jee did. Surely when a Sikh does what Guru jee did, he cannot go wrong on the issue. So that is why in my opinion while Nanakshahi supporters may or may not be wrong, but it is for 100% sure that Bikrami supporters are not wrong for using Bikrami calendar, because if they are wrong then that would mean our Gurus were wrong for they also used Bikrami calendar when observing Gurpurabs. And we know for a fact that Guru Jee can never be wrong on anything. They are flawless and infallible in every way while we are not.

In the end Jasjit Singh Jio I really do respect you and I am impressed by your knowledge on this subject.

ਦਾਸ ਆਪਜੀ ਦੇ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਕਦਰ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਤੋਂ ਬਗੈਰ ਤਾਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਦਾ ਹੋਰ ਕੋਣ ਸਹਾਈ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਟੇਕ ਰੱਖਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਆਪਜੀ ਵਰਗੀ ਸੋਝੀ ਅਗਰ ਆਮ ਹੋ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਕੋਈ ਮਸਲਾ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੀ ਨਾ ਹੋਵੇ। ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤਾਂ ਸਰਬ ਕਲਾਂ ਸਮਰਥ ਨੇ ਆਹ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਦਾ ਮਸਲਾ ਤਾਂ ਕੁੱਝ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ। ਦਾਸ ਤਾਂ ਇਹੀ ਆਖ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜੇਕਰ ਸਿੱਖ ਕੌਮ ਸਿਰ ਜੋੜ ਕੇ ਬੈਠ ਜਾਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਦਾ ਮਸਲਾ ਇੱਕ ਘੰਟੇ ‘ਚ ਹੱਲ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇ। ਇਸ ਵੀ ਕੁੱਝ ਵੀ ਅਜਿਹਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੋ ਹੱਲ ਨਾ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ। ਪਰ ਕਿਥੇ ਹਉਮੇ ਨੂੰ ਪੱਠੇ ਪਾਉਣ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਬੋਲਬਾਲਾ ਹੀ ਇੰਨਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਨਿਤਪ੍ਰਤ ਨਵਾਂ ਹੀ ਮਸਲਾ ਸਹੇੜ ਲ਼ੈਦੇ ਹਨ। ਨਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਕੋਈ ਮਸਲਾ ਹੱਲ ਕਰਨ ਯੋਗ ਹਨ ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਦੀ ਮੰਨਣ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜ਼ੀ ਹਨ।

ਤੁਸੀ ਇੱਥੇ ਹੀ ਉਦਾਹਰਣ ਲੈ ਲਉ, ਦਾਸ ਨੇ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਜੋ ਤਾਜ਼ਾ ਸਥਿਤੀ ਦਸੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੪ ‘ਚ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਤੇ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਬਣੀ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬ ਅਗਾਹ ਪਿਛਾਂਹ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਨਿਰਦੇਸ਼ ਦੇਣੇ ਪਏ, ਸ਼੍ਰੋਮਣੀ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਇਥੇ ਤੱਕ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਕਰ ਰਹੀ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬ ਦੀ ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਛੁੱਟੀ ਦਾ ਦਿਨ ਵੀ ਬਦਲ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਏ ਅਤੇ ਹੁਣ ਦਸੰਬਰ ਵਾਲੇ ਇਸ ਵਰਤਾਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਇੱਕ ਵੱਡਾ ਹਿੱਸਾ ਟੱਕਰ ਦੇਣ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੋ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ। ਅਗਰ ਇਸ ਸਭ ਕਾਸੇ ਲਈ ਇਹ ਸਾਬਤ ਕਰ ਦਿਉ ਕਿ ਨਾਨਕਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਦੀਆਂ ਤਾਰੀਖਾਂ ਜਿੰਮੇਵਾਰ ਹਨ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕਿ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਿਆ ਜਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਦਾਸ ਇਕਦਮ ਆਪਣੇ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਤਿਆਗ ਕਰਕੇ ਬਿਕਰਮੀ ਕੈਲੰਡਰ ਨੂੰ ਮੰਨ ਲਵੇਗਾ। ਪਰ ਦੇਖੋ ਕਿਵੇ ਕਈਆਂ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸੁੰਹ ਹੀ ਚੱਕੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜੋ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਤੱਥ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕਰੀ ਜਾਉ ਪਰ ਮੈਂ ਨਾ ਮਾਨੂੰ। ਭਲਾ ਹੁਣ ਤੁਸੀ ਹੀ ਦੱਸੋ ਇਸਤਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਇਨਸਾਨ ਅਗਰ ਪੰਥਕ ਮਸਲਿਆਂ ਤੇ ਹੁੰਦੀਆਂ ਮੀਟਿੰਗਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਹੋਣਗੇ ਤਾਂ ਕਿਵੇ ਕੋਈ ਮਸਲਾ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਰਾਖਾ।

ਬਾਕੀ ਆਪਜੀ ਨੇ ਬੜੇ ਹੀ ਦਿਆਲੂ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਵਰਤੇ ਕਿ ਦਾਸ ਦੀ ਇਸ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ 'ਤੇ ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਵਿਤ ਹੋਏ ਹੋ। ਤਾਂ ਦਾਸ ਇਹੀ ਅਰਜ਼ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਜੀ ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਆਪਜੀ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਨਾਚੀਜ਼ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਇਸ ਯੋਗ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਵਰਨਾ ਆਪਾਂ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਦਵਾਨ ਜਾਂ ਬਹਿਸੀਏ ਥੋੜਾ ਹਾਂ।

ਹਉਮੇ ਨੂੰ ਪੱਠੇ ਪਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਊਲ-ਜ਼ਲੂਲ ਲਿਖੀ ਜਾਣਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਦਾ ਧਰਮ-ਕਰਮ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਲੈਣ ਖਾਤਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਪੰਥ ਅੰਦਰ ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਗੁੰਮਰਾਹਕੁੰਨ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਬਚਣ ਦਾ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਹੋਕਾ ਹੀ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ। ਬਾਕੀ ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂੁ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਭਾਵੇ ਆਪਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਓਸੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਰਾਜ਼ੀ ਹਾਂ ਜੀ।