Re: Is Sikhi failing October 08, 2014 04:53PM |
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That's why I started questioning the big jathebandis. These organisations set such high standards and expectations in terms of rehat but their membership is failing the jathebandis.
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Re: Is Sikhi failing October 09, 2014 07:39AM |
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
Raag Aasaa, Second House, Fourth Mehl:
ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਸੁਤ ਨਾਲਿ ਭਾਈ ॥
Some form alliances with friends, children and siblings.
ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਕੁੜਮ ਸਕੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਜਵਾਈ ॥
Some form alliances with in-laws and relatives.
ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਸਿਕਦਾਰ ਚਉਧਰੀ ਨਾਲਿ ਆਪਣੈ ਸੁਆਈ ॥
Some form alliances with chiefs and leaders for their own selfish motives.
ਹਮਾਰਾ ਧੜਾ ਹਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੧॥
My alliance is with the Lord, who is pervading everywhere. ||1||
ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਮੇਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਟੇਕ ॥
I have formed my alliance with the Lord; the Lord is my only support.
ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਪਖੁ ਧੜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਅਸੰਖ ਅਨੇਕ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Other than the Lord, I have no other faction or alliance; I sing of the countless and endless Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1||Pause||
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸਿਉ ਧੜੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
Those with whom you form alliances, shall perish.
ਝੂਠੁ ਧੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਹਿ ॥
Making false alliances, the mortals repent and regret in the end.
ਥਿਰੁ ਨ ਰਹਹਿ ਮਨਿ ਖੋਟੁ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥
Those who practice falsehood shall not last.
ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਕੋਈ ਸਮਰਥੁ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੨॥
I have formed my alliance with the Lord; there is no one more powerful than Him. ||2||
ਏਹ ਸਭਿ ਧੜੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹ ਪਸਾਰੀ ॥
All these alliances are mere extensions of the love of Maya.
ਮਾਇਆ ਕਉ ਲੂਝਹਿ ਗਾਵਾਰੀ ॥
Only fools argue over Maya.
ਜਨਮਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਜੂਐ ਬਾਜੀ ਹਾਰੀ ॥
They are born, and they die, and they lose the game of life in the gamble.
ਹਮਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਜਿ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਸਵਾਰੀ ॥੩॥
My alliance is with the Lord, who embellishes all, in this world and the next. ||3||
ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਧੜੇ ਪੰਚ ਚੋਰ ਝਗੜਾਏ ॥
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the five thieves instigate alliances and conflicts.
ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ਵਧਾਏ ॥
Sexual desire, anger, greed, emotional attachment and self-conceit have increased.
ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਤਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥
One who is blessed by the Lord's Grace, joins the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation.
ਹਮਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਏਹ ਧੜੇ ਸਭਿ ਗਵਾਏ ॥੪॥
My alliance is with the Lord, who has destroyed all these alliances. ||4||
ਮਿਥਿਆ ਦੂਜਾ ਭਾਉ ਧੜੇ ਬਹਿ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
In the false love of duality, people sit and form alliances.
ਪਰਾਇਆ ਛਿਦ੍ਰੁ ਅਟਕਲੈ ਆਪਣਾ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਵਧਾਵੈ ॥
They complain about other peoples' faults, while their own self-conceit only increases.
ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜੈ ਤੈਸਾ ਖਾਵੈ ॥
As they plant, so shall they harvest.
ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਸਭ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਜਿਣਿ ਆਵੈ ॥੫॥੨॥੫੪॥
Servant Nanak has joined the Lord's alliance of Dharma, which shall conquer the whole world. ||5||2||54||
Re: Is Sikhi failing October 09, 2014 01:40PM |
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akaal74
I have seen hundreds of sikhs who never miss amritvela... always attend every samagams... keep all kind of rehat... but they eventually are jatt, ramgarhia or something when it comes to dealing with marriages in their families. Why their jeevan has become spiritual in all ther realms but not in this basic of sikhism principle....
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MB Singh
1 There are only rare gursikhs who have attained Spiritual Upliftment up to a level, where social taboos are thrown away like waste materials. Most of us are cowards.
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MB Singh
Sometimes the children are much more bold in their decisions as casteless society, but the parents are not so. Obedient Amritdhari children have to obey their parents.
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gk
The answers I got from my elders including very chardi kala gursikhs is as follow:
Gursikhs are not supposed to hate anybody or think person is inferior or not eat from them because they belong to low caste however when its the marraige time the scenario is different because gursikhs are trying to find someone who has been brought up in similar environment as their kids. The fear that the their daughter or son will not be able to adjust to other family's way of living makes Gursikh seek someone within their own caste as they feel secure in making that decision.
Is this correct? I do not know, its hard for me to blame this thinking of gursikhs, they are not showing bias in other treatment, its just marriage they show this bias because they are worried about the future of their kid and want the marriage to be succesful. Does marriage within caste guarantees success? NO but that is how we have been for genrations.
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Kulbir Singh
When getting married, due consideration should be given to Rehit compatibility of Singh and Bibi; otherwise, Rehit differences can lead to conflicts within the marriage. We have seen many marriages getting into trouble because of this.
Another point to note is that when unmarried people get Pesh to get Amrit, one of the condition that Punj Pyare lay is that their future life partner should be of ਸਮ ਰਹਿਤ (same Rehit). So when getting married, it should be ensured that both Singh and Bibi follow the same Rehit. Rest Guru Sahib knows the best.
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Re: Is Sikhi failing October 09, 2014 02:10PM |
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These days even big Sarbloh bibekis are getting divorced and married more than once. What does the principle of ਸਮ ਰਹਿਤ count for in those situations? In my opinion, it counts for nothing because either one or both of the spouses did not even have the basic Gurmat qualities required to make the marriage work.
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As well as caste pride, nowadays many also have “rehit pride” which causes the same problems. Just as someone engrossed in caste pride cannot see beyond caste and seeks marriage matches exclusively based on caste, those with “rehit pride” seek marriage matches exclusively based on outward appearance of rehit..
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Neither followers of “caste pride” or “rehit pride” bother to look at the crucial Gurmat qualities of a Gursikh like humility, sweet speech, forgiveness, and a genuine desire to meet Vaheguru
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Re: Is Sikhi failing October 15, 2014 12:40PM |
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300 years after Jesus's death all of the Roman Empire became Christians. The apostle Paul travelled thousands and thousands of miles spreading the Gospel of Jesus. Much less then 300 years after Muhammads death all of Arabia eventually became Muslims.
Because we were busy continuing several others, such as the caste system and a whole range of unSikh practices that remain part of Punjabi/Indian culture and crept into Sikhs as well.Quote
We have not continued this legacy
There can be 3 reasons for this. (a.) They were not taught the "raw and real deal" to begin with. (b.) They were not ready to give up some of the beliefs they held before they took Amrit. (c.) They were not really/fully accepted as fellow Sikhs by the "mainstream" Punjabi Sikhs (believe it or not, it does happen ). So yes, they are probably spreading a bizzare version of Sikhi as you put it, but its not only them to blame, its me, you and the rest of us as well. First we let them be misled, and now we let them mislead.Quote
The only people spreading Sikhi are the 3ho and they are spreading a very bizzare version of Sikhi.
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Re: Is Sikhi failing October 16, 2014 01:22PM |
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I am not at peace with what and how I wrote in the previous post’s paragraph beginning with “These days even big…” I am also saddened with how it was interpreted and thus responded to. Firstly I was thinking to reply with an expanded explanation of what I meant, but for fear of that also being misunderstood or causing offence I feel it would just be better to retract the entire paragraph, and apologize unreservedly and sincerely.
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