Need to help my friend December 08, 2013 07:33AM |
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Re: Need to help my friend December 09, 2013 07:02AM |
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The person saying he doesnt have enough money to give as dasvand. There are many poor Gursikhs who cant afford dasvand. After they pay for their basic necessities they may not have enough left for dasvand. There are many Sakhis in which Gusikhs can only afford pennies to give and still Sri Guru Ji lovingly accepted their vand. If a person doesnt have enough money after they pay for their basic necessities then they shouldnt feel like lesser Sikhs. We are not Mormons where we have a counsel taxing us 10 percent of our income. Dasvand is given voluntarily and discreetly in the the Gurus Golak and its between the Guru and the Gursikh , Sri Guru Ji knows how much a person can afford and how sincere they are in giving their hard earned money. There are many Sakhis which mentions ones income wasnt given but instead other items such as weapons, horses, palki sahib, takht, etc. Vand Chhakna is not as black and white as you may think.
Re: Need to help my friend December 09, 2013 10:46AM |
Re: Need to help my friend December 09, 2013 11:08AM |
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Kulbir Singh where are you learning these things that Matha Tekh offering was traditionally done outside of dasvand. Can you please quote a Rehat or sakhi which proves this?
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Traditioanlly Dasavand was given discreetly in the Gurus golak and spent through the discretion of the Panj. There are numerous Sakhis of poor Sikhs who gave what they could even though it didn't amount too 10 percent.
Re: Need to help my friend December 09, 2013 01:54PM |
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A penny which is offered discreetly with humility in Sri Guru jis darbar is worth more then a million dollars offered with show.
Re: Need to help my friend December 09, 2013 08:02PM |
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Of course even a less amount than 10% is accepted but please show us in which Saakhi it is mentioned that it's "Okay" to not pay full Daswandh or that one is excused from paying full Daswandh to Guru Sahib.
We have noticed that often people who are weak in a certain Rehit, try to discredit that Rehit. Giani Gian Singh was a opium addict and to justify his bad habit came up with a Saakhi showing that Siri Guru Dasmesh jee used to consume opium before going to wars. People who are dhillay in giving out full Daswandh often are seen trying to discredit this Rehit saying that it's not necessary to give out Daswandh if one is not rich enough. The definition of basic necessities differs person to person. This excuse can't be used for not giving out full Daswandh.
We should not innovate excuses to avoid Rehit. A person who does not take out Daswandh is not a Tyaar bar Tyaar Bibeki Sikh and as stated before, Bibeki Singhs don't eat from such person's home. If someone has a problem with taking out Daswandh, then he or she should present the case with Sangat or better with Punj Pyare and proceed accordingly. To act unilaterally and not take out full Daswandh, citing less income, is not Gurmat.
Kulbir Singh
Re: Need to help my friend December 10, 2013 06:24AM |
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If someone makes 1000 dollars a month, but if their basic expenses such as rent/mortgage, bills, petrol to get to work , etc exceed 900 dollars. How can they afford dasvand? Others who are in jail, poor, or out of a job cannot pay full dasvand either. We are not making excuses. We are only trying to give practical advice to an injured Gursikh who cant make enough to pay full dasvand. For Gods sake if the poor man is injured we shouldn't look down on him or view him as a lesser Sikh. Sikhi is more then black and white rules. SRi Guru Ji is compassionate and understands everyones situations. If a Gursikhs gives all he has after taking care of his basic nececcsites which is a family duty then surely Sri Guru ji wont look down on him.
Re: Need to help my friend December 10, 2013 11:00AM |