Is Dukh unavoidable?

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਦੁਖੁ ਮੁਝ ਕੂ ਦੁਖੁ ਸਬਾਇਐ ਜਗਿ ॥
ਊਚੇ ਚੜਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਏਹਾ ਅਗਿ ॥81॥

Reading the above Salok of Baba Farid jee, kind of puts the mind to rest in fighting against sorrows. It say that Dukh or sorrow is an eternal reality that no one can escape. Each house in the world is suffering from the fire of sorrow. In order to give hope to Gursikhs, to prompt them to fight sorrow and to avoid misunderstanding the above Salok, Siri Guru Arjun Dev jee Maharaj has blessed us with a Salok, related to the above Salok, as follows:

ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਫਰੀਦਾ ਭੂਮਿ ਰੰਗਾਵਲੀ ਮੰਝਿ ਵਿਸੂਲਾ ਬਾਗ ॥
ਜੋ ਜਨ ਪੀਰਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਿਆ ਤਿੰਨ੍‍ਾ ਅੰਚ ਨ ਲਾਗ ॥82॥

Guru Sahib says that, it is true that within this colourful world, this poisonous garden (the cause of sorrows) exists but ones who are blessed by Pir Satguru, they are not touched by this poisonous Baagh or garden. In other words, ones who meet Satguru jee in Kaljug, escape the effects of sorrow.

To make things even more clear, Guru Sahib has blessed us with another Salok as follows:

ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਫਰੀਦਾ ਉਮਰ ਸੁਹਾਵੜੀ ਸੰਗਿ ਸੁਵੰਨੜੀ ਦੇਹ ॥
ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕੇਈ ਪਾਈਅਨਿ ਜਿੰਨ੍‍ਾ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਨੇਹ ॥83॥

Ones who get Pir Satguru, their life is pleasant and their body is of pleasant hue but this spiritual fruit is attained by blessed few, who have Love with Pyara Vaheguru.

So, true that we live in such a world where Sukh and Dukh cannot be avoided and for the most part, Dukh is omni-presant but if we receive the sanctuary or refuge of Pir Satguru, we can avoid the effects of Dukh. Guru Sahib apna Sahaara Bakshan.

Kulbir Singh

Is Dukh Unavoidable.?
From Gurbanee one can learn that Dukh is required to be accepted as Will of Vaheguru ji,
One can understand the game plan of Sukh and Dukh from a Quote as

ਸੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਪੁਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕੀਏ ॥ ਸੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਿਨਿ ਦਾਤੈ ਦੀਏ ॥ ਕਿਸ ਕਉ ਦੋਸੁ ਦੇਹਿ ਤੂ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਸਹੁ ਅਪਣਾ ਕੀਆ ਕਰਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੧੪॥
pp1030 SGGS ji.

It is also there that Dukh is the Principal Cause of Sukh also.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

Kulbir Singh Wrote:
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> ਫਰੀਦਾ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਿਆ
> ਦੁਖੁ ਮੁਝ ਕੂ ਦੁਖੁ
> ਸਬਾਇਐ ਜਗਿ ॥
> ਊਚੇ ਚੜਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਖਿਆ
> ਤਾਂ ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਏਹਾ ਅਗਿ
> ॥81॥
>
> Reading the above Salok of Baba Farid jee, kind of
> puts the mind to rest in fighting against sorrows.
> It say that Dukh or sorrow is an eternal reality
> that no one can escape. Each house in the world is
> suffering from the fire of sorrow. In order to
> give hope to Gursikhs, to prompt them to fight
> sorrow and to avoid misunderstanding the above
> Salok, Siri Guru Arjun Dev jee Maharaj has blessed
> us with a Salok, related to the above Salok, as
> follows:
>
> ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਫਰੀਦਾ ਭੂਮਿ
> ਰੰਗਾਵਲੀ ਮੰਝਿ
> ਵਿਸੂਲਾ ਬਾਗ ॥
> ਜੋ ਜਨ ਪੀਰਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਿਆ
> ਤਿੰਨ੍‍ਾ ਅੰਚ ਨ ਲਾਗ
> ॥82॥
>
> Guru Sahib says that, it is true that within this
> colourful world, this poisonous garden (the cause
> of sorrows) exists but ones who are blessed by Pir
> Satguru, they are not touched by this poisonous
> Baagh or garden. In other words, ones who meet
> Satguru jee in Kaljug, escape the effects of
> sorrow.
>
> To make things even more clear, Guru Sahib has
> blessed us with another Salok as follows:
>
> ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਫਰੀਦਾ ਉਮਰ
> ਸੁਹਾਵੜੀ ਸੰਗਿ
> ਸੁਵੰਨੜੀ ਦੇਹ ॥
> ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕੇਈ ਪਾਈਅਨਿ
> ਜਿੰਨ੍‍ਾ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਨੇਹ
> ॥83॥
>
> Ones who get Pir Satguru, their life is pleasant
> and their body is of pleasant hue but this
> spiritual fruit is attained by blessed few, who
> have Love with Pyara Vaheguru.
>
> So, true that we live in such a world where Sukh
> and Dukh cannot be avoided and for the most part,
> Dukh is omni-presant but if we receive the
> sanctuary or refuge of Pir Satguru, we can avoid
> the effects of Dukh. Guru Sahib apna Sahaara
> Bakshan.
>
> Kulbir Singh


The ones who attain sacha prem pyaar with Guru jee can avoid effects of Dukh completely? OR Do these Gurmukhs just perceive all as Bhana, so even if they receive the Dukh that their previous karams have brought upon them (loved one dies etc., personal illnesses etc.), they do the following "ਸੋਈ ਭਗਤੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ ਸਮਤੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,
Thank-you Veer Kulbir Singh Ji, for the soothing Gurbani gyan, especially when being conveyed so effectively by a Gem of Guru Ji.
May you be an inspiration for this paapi murakh, as I read in this forum that your father is not a Gursikh or Gurmukh, yet you are such a rare and blessed Gem of Guru Maharaj.
My belief is that dukh becomes overpowering, when one attempts to follow Gurmat path, and not living amongst Gursikhs, or near a Gurmukh Gursikh Gurdwara, as is Hukam of Guru Maharaj, and Punj Pyare? But I also feel this is just an excuse on my part, due to my own lack of discipline, and dedication? On the other hand, I feel Sikhs in Canada are fortunate, as there are so many Gurmukh Gursikh Gurdwaras, and Gurmukh Gursikhs to inspire, guide, and discipline one attempting to tread Gurmat path so that dukh can be totally ignored within bliss of drowning in many sessions of Sangat Naam Simran/ Guru Shabad?
Bhul chuk muaf
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

People use to throw cow dunk on Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh jee doorstep & infront of his house. Villagers even made false reports on 2 accounts in Narangwal and got him locked up. Such things are nothing for a Naam Vigasi whose naam runs endlessly.
Normal jagyaasoos neeed sadhsangat among rehitvaan gursikhs, it fuels us for bhagti more and more. Vibrations of naam/gurbani never fail to uplift one through such sadhsangat. Devoid of this, one is in a helpless situation.

Chota veer

The views are greatly appreciable as

Vibrations of naam/gurbani never fail to uplift one through such sadhsangat. Devoid of this, one is in a helpless situation.

There is need of such understanding .such as "Vibrations of naam "

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

Quote

The ones who attain sacha prem pyaar with Guru jee can avoid effects of Dukh completely? OR Do these Gurmukhs just perceive all as Bhana, so even if they receive the Dukh that their previous karams have brought upon them (loved one dies etc., personal illnesses etc.), they do the following "ਸੋਈ ਭਗਤੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ ਸਮਤੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥"

This depends on the Avastha of the Bhagat. A Gurmukh of high Avastha stays stable in both Dukh and Sukh. On the other hand, a Gursikh who has not yet reached the Gyaan Avastha, but has full faith in Guru Sahib's Naam and Gurbani, may use the chanting of Naam to eliminate his or her Dukhs. There is nothing wrong in it. There are numerous Pankitis that allude to this principle:

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਦੁਖੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਬੋਲੈ ਸਹਜਿ ਸੁਭਾਇ ॥4॥


ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਵਿਤੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਦੁਖੁ ਜਾਇ ॥

There is nothing wrong in asking Vaheguru for unfulfilled Gurmat related wishes and for elimination of Dukh. What is not allowed is to leave the door of Guru Sahib and go to some other deity for fulfilment of wishes and elimination of sorrow. If we are not going to ask our Mata-Pita Vaheguru jee for help during hard times, who else are we going to ask?

Vaheguru Naam is Dukhbhanjan (breaker of sorrow). So chanting Naam definitely brings Anand and eliminates sorrow.

Question: why do Gyani Gurmukhs not do Ardaas when they face worldly Dukh?

Answer: Because they don't feel the Dukh. Outwardly, they may be seen suffering from Dukh but inwardly they have no Dukh. Bhai Mati Daas did not feel Dukh when he was cut in half. Bhai Dyala jee sat motionless when he was boiled alive. Bhai Sati Daas sat in Samadhi when he was burned alive.

Question: why do normal Gurmukhs do Ardaas when they feel Dukh?

Answer: Because they feel Dukh and it is Gurbani Hukam that ਜਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਲਾਗੈ ਤਾ ਤੁਝੈ ਸਮਾਲੀ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ (When I feel sorrow, I chant Naam). When they feel Dukh, they chant the Dukhbhanjan Naam to eliminate their Dukh.

Gyani Gurmukhs are always chanting Naam and as such don't feel worldly Dukhs and normal Gurmukhs, until they reach the state of Gyani Gurmukhs, definitely chant Naam when they feel Dukh. This way Dukh becomes Daaroo (medicine) for them.

Kulbir Singh

ਮਹਲਾ 5 ॥ ਫਰੀਦਾ ਭੂਮਿ ਰੰਗਾਵਲੀ ਮੰਝਿ ਵਿਸੂਲਾ ਬਾਗ ॥
ਜੋ ਜਨ ਪੀਰਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਿਆ ਤਿੰਨ੍‍ਾ ਅੰਚ ਨ ਲਾਗ ॥82॥

What a beautiful pangti posted by Bhai Kulbir Singh Jee. It reminds of the following verses of Bhai Nand Lal Singh Jee.

ਬਰਾਏ ਗਿਰਦਾਏ ਨਾਂ ਗਿਰਦ ਹਰਦੂਨਾ ਚਿ ਮੇ ਗਿਰਦੀ
ਤਮਹ ਦੀਦੀ ਕਿ ਆਦਮ ਰਾ ਅਸ਼ੀਰੇ ਦਾਨਿਹ ਮੇ ਸਾਜ਼ਦ

The above quote is related to the story of Adam and Even which is mentioned in the Abrahamic traditions. While in the sacred garden the carefree Adam and Eve eventually became under the influence of the evil serpent ( maya) and broke Gods commandment by eating the forbidden fruit from the poisnous tree; thus they where banished from the divine garden and found their way into the wildnerness ( poisonous garden).

Bhai Nand Lal Singh Ji says why are we roaming around for the sake of a little food even though we know how Adam became the slave to the panj doot due to the bite of one apple from the poisnous tree. Thus we should not renounce the divine garden given by Sri Guru Ji for the sake of wordly ras aka poison. May we never break the commadnment of Sri Guru Ji to japp naam and thus we will surely avoid suffering and enter the garden of peace.

Is Dukh unavoidable?

well here goes:

ਤੁਧੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ ਨਾਲਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਲੇਖੁ ਕਰਤੈ ਲਿਖਿਆ ॥ : You created pain along with pleasure; O Creator, such is the writ You have written (sggs 787).

Solution is:


ਸੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਦੋਨੋ ਸਮ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨੈ ਅਉਰੁ ਮਾਨੁ ਅਪਮਾਨਾ ॥ ਹਰਖ ਸੋਗ ਤੇ ਰਹੈ ਅਤੀਤਾ ਤਿਨਿ ਜਗਿ ਤਤੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਦੋਊ ਤਿਆਗੈ ਖੋਜੈ ਪਦੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਨਾ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹੁ ਖੇਲੁ ਕਠਨੁ ਹੈ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੨॥੧॥ : Sukh dukh dono sam kari jaanai aour maanu apamaanaa. Harakh sog te rahai ateetaa tini jagi tatu pashaanaa. Usatat nindaa do-oo tiaagai khojai padu nirabaanaa. Jan Nanak ihu khel kathan hai kinahoon gurmukhi jaanaa ||2||1||: One who knows that pain and pleasure are both the same, and honor and dishonor as well, who remains detached from joy and sorrow, realizes the true essence in the world ||1||. Renounce both praise and blame; seek instead the state of Nirvaanaa (Aatmic Avasthaa devoid of Vaasnaa). O servant Nanak, this is such a difficult game; only a rare Gurmukh understands it! ||2||1|| (sggs 219).

I think here in the quotes the reference for ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ is for specific ਦੁਖੁ and specific ਸੁਖੁ
This speific ਦੁਖੁ reference for "the separation from Akalpurahu/Prabhu"

and ਸੁਖੁ
is the refernce for "being in union with Akalpurakhu
Prabhu"

Although there can be many kinds of Sukh Dukh .

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

Another way of looking at this aspect here is as in the old punjabi kahavat - "jithee bhuk otheee Dukhh" this is very paramount - we have assa - goals in life - desires upon desires - and they create more and more Dukh in one life.

No wonder puraatan sikhs and punjabi people in general were just hard working and had more pyar as they didn't have so many outwardly desires as we do today. Therefore they were far more sukhi than us today, as they accepted whatever came in their life as is - however today we have so much desire for this and that there is no breathing space - we are at our own peril. May Guru sahib bless further understanding.

Sri Guru Ji has told us we jaap naam then will will regard sorrow and happiness as one and the same thing. In addition, Sri Guru Ji has said as long as we obey his hukums of japping naam with child like obedience then we will enjoy true sukh.


ਪਾਇਓ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਖ ਸੋਗ ਹਾਨਿ ਮਿਰਤੁ ਦੂਖ ਸੁਖ ਚਿਤਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥