A Sidhu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Once again thank you all. You're contributions > have convinced me that the existence of moral evil > doesn't disprove God. > > Preetam Singh Ji, I don't believe that my deist > God simply created all that was, only to somehow > lose his power and abandon it. I believe that > Spinoza's God may have created the uniby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
A Sidhu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you all for your thorough responses. > > MB Singh Ji, I should have made my beliefs more > clear, and I apologize. I'm not an atheist in that > I deny that there may be a deity altogether. I > believe in something called Spinoza's God, that > is, a deity who created the world, but is > apathetic to what we onby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
singhni Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WE should all just jap lots of naam > > then the affairs of the khalsa will be resolved by > themselves > > guru sahib khud akae sab kuj teek kardengae > > lol While i agree with naam japping - however it's just a part of what a sikh does naam jap- there zillion other things a Sikhs needs to do in regards tby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
A Sidhu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh, > > I am an ex-Sikh who became an atheist because I > couldn't reconcile my belief in God with > rationality. I did not part from Sikhi with joy > however, and my deconversion has caused me a lot > of pain. It's my hope that the Sangat might be > able to answer my questiby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Veer Mehtab Singh jeeo, I agree whole heartedly - the biggest crying shame is 30 years on the shaheed parivaars are still living in squalor conditons - we need to help as much as possible and get them out of such conditions first and foremost.:by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
beautiful answers Many Thanks MB Singh jeeo and Sukhdeep Singh jee- both of your answers have helped considerably.by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The sleep talked about in Gurbani I feel is to do with stages of our mind - this may be of help as always Guru Maharaj Knows betterby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Sukhdeep Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > very true - so what other means by which a > Gurdwara survives if we cannot use income from > Akand Paths as they ritualistic - and also > charging extorniate amount for weddings is also > not in line.. what other ideas sir? > > How did the Puratan Gurdwara Sahibs survive? its > very simple those Gursikhs whby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Sukhdeep Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In Sacha Sauda Sakhi , Sri Guru Ji has taught us > where money should be invested. Gurwdwarra Sahibs > should never be treated as "stock" they are sacred > and they should be simple with the sole intent in > creating Gurmukhs. What speak of is unthinkable we > already have enough people in the West treating >by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
WJKK WJKF Have a question with regards to Income for Gurdwara's in the western hemisphere. Most of this income is from Akandpaaths as we very well know and it is not ethical - with marayada due to people buying off the shelf Akannd paaths etc. I don't want this to be debated as it has been and we obviously know it's wrong. My question is that is it OK for a Gurdwara to have investible lanby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
chardeee kala - !!!!by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Ensaaf - another great organisation to donate to regularly - excellent workby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Futile in the sense that we should work towards > experiencing this mystical experience. In order > to experience this Avastha, we will have to follow > Gurmat to the fullest. Discussing this mystical > experience will not bring the Avastha. It's a > matter of experiencing and not discussing. May be i gby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hirda is ten fingers above Naabhi. In normal > language Hirda and ਮਨ are considered the same > but in Gurmat mystical world, Hirda is a place > just above the Naabhi. When the Kanwal which is > lying upside-down, becomes straight, then the Jyot > i.e. Charan Kamal of Vaheguru jee appear over > there. At thiby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhai SukhDeep Singh Jeeo, You worn out this cannot be true - A SIKH is never worn - always learning , growing his learning - growth mindset - not fixed mindset. Issue we have is simple not as complex as we make it, however Khalsa is not a fixed mindset and does change according to the times and conditions that are present, however as your rightly comment - for us sitting on our a88es warm aby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhai Sukhdeep Jee - what is clear at present is there is no clarity at all - clear as MUD. Conclusion - read the bani Gursikho with bhavan and prem - I will be doing more research talking to some senior Gursikhs about this but do doubt if your doubts will ever be cleared anyhow - but we must tryby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Thanks Bhai Jasjit Singh Jeeo exactly what i was trying to say to Bhai Sukhdeep Jee - Why are we doubting Guru Sahib and miracles is the question for you Bhai Sukhdeep jeeo? in fact why are we questioning - "Gur kee karnee kahee dhavoo"by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Sukhdeep Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Many religions practice fasting. Recently the > Muslims completed their fast for their annual > celebration " Eid Mubarak " . What does Gurmat say > on Fasting? > > > ਛੋਡਹਿ ਅੰਨੁ ਕਰਹਿ > ਪਾਖੰਡ ॥ > One who discards this grain, is practicing > hypocrisy. > ਨਾ ਸby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Sukhdeep Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NS44 the link you provided is too long I skimmed > through it and see no name of Sanman or Moosan > please provide the exact location or quote from > Bhai Sahibs book. Issue we have is we want answers too quick and too soon so we just skim - man no where in SGGS it says to skim anything in life- especially dby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
ns44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kulbir Singh Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > Bhai Sahib has written close to 40 books and > > pamphlets. I can't remember which book it was > but > > there is a mention of Saman or Moosan in one of > > his books. I will keep an eye for the reference > > and will post it ifby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Bhai Sahib has written close to 40 books and > pamphlets. I can't remember which book it was but > there is a mention of Saman or Moosan in one of > his books. I will keep an eye for the reference > and will post it if I find it. > it is mentioned in the book Jhatka Maas Thath Gurmat Nirnay search here fby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
still not much response here - people must be so busy. One thing i will say is that the 3ho organization has done well is for Kids stories: the examples above are just what is needed for kids - if they have interaction with this on a weekly basis at a local Gurdwara it would be excellent. even if these are accessed via some kind of photo screen audio for kids to interact with - i haven'tby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhagatjot Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > this "common moods" list is not exactly in line > with gurmat as far as akhand keertan smagams have > shown us IMHO. even in experiences from smagams in > Bhai sahibs times, Singh's did not give any care > about what raag was sung when and the "mood" was > constantly anand mayee and bairaagee etc etc all > thby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Great question jeeo - let start with this link initally: next is for one to organise ones keertan listening as per time cycle on itunes or whatever - i have done this by keertan of Bhai Balbir Singh's raag guldasta - then one must try to listen with high intense concentration in that timezone in that raag - the experince is out of this world!!!by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Bhai Sukhdeep Singh hit the nail on the head - amrit vela needs to be 100 % but also 100% focus on listening to naam - Gurbani , and it is the intensity we listen with that is of extreme importance. As ones focus is with extreme pyaar it goes without saying that one's mind will ring with abyaas during the day in Surat and one must pay full attention to that while working playing whatever. It doeby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
beautifully countered - exactly how a sikh should respondby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I disagree with this being a low point - why can't one do bhagtee - simran while doing any job whether 8 hour 12 hour or 18 hour?by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Excellent suggesions so far - Thanks Gurmukh jeeos for your input - we need more ideas input here - there are plenisome Gurmukhs on this forum however response still is a bit muted. The $1 fund is an excellent idea - Barhu sahib already doing great seva - perhaps they could lease with this. I just recently been to Punjab - it's a cess pit - least to say other than our Guru ghars in the sby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
100% correct - so what are the solutions?by ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
No one claiming anything here and so should any one either. Gurbani changes dynamically with mankind no matter how advanced or thoughful one becomes there is no way any on us can make assumptions. Hoever It is the learning that continues to grow without a shadow of doubt - just as more you read teeka's or Katha vacheks - your knowledge, wisdom only grows not falters in any way - hence Dhan SGby ns44 - Gurmat Discussion Forum