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Majnoo: “If I don’t get married to her I will die”

Posted by Kulbir Singh 
Meaning of Majnoo

Majnoo literally means crazy. Other synonyms for this word in Indian languages are Divaana, Baura, Baawra, Pagla, Paagal, Kamla etc.

Even though the word Majnoo means Divaana but in Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu, this word is used for such person who becomes crazy in love. Mostly, Majnoo is associated with such male lover who goes crazy over infatuation with a female.

The most famous worldly Majnoo has been a person called Qaiz who became crazy in love with a girl called Laila. He became so crazy that he left his home and really became a crazy person and soon people forgot his real name and everyone started calling him Majnoon-e-Laila which means Majnoo of Laila.

If an ordinary worldly person hears this story, he is probably inspired and loves it but when a Gurmukh hears about the plight and fate of Qaiz, he feels sorry for Qaiz but also knows that while the love of Qaiz may have been sincere and genuine but his object of love was false. He wasted his human life in love of an idol of flesh and blood.

Two types of Majnoos

There are two types of Majnoos out there – Majnoos of Vaheguru and Majnoos of Laila.

It’s okay if worldly people are Majnoos of Laila but when we find a Gursikh looking person become a Majnoo of Laila our heads are lowered with shame. We are not going to bother about non-Sikh Majnoos because they don’t concern us but our worry is for Sikh youth (males and females) who are increasingly imitating their Western peers and acting out like them by getting involved in boyfriend-girlfriend relationships.

Summary of a Conversation between a Sikh Majnoo and a Gursikh

Here is a brief conversation between a Sikh youth who became a Majnoo and a Gursikh who was trying to dissuade him from committing a mistake and becoming a Majnoon-e-Laila:

“If I don’t get married to her I will die” – Dear brother when you took Amrit, wasn’t the understanding that your life was now not yours but Guru Sahib’s? This was the whole idea of giving head to Guru Sahib. If you are so eager to die, there are worthy causes for dying. Why die to get married to an idol of flesh and blood?

“But my love for her is not physical; I love her soul” – What are you talking about brother? Your love is not with her body but with her soul? Have you seen your own Aatma (soul) yet? Then how did you manage to see her soul and fall in love with it? Save yourself if you can. This relationship has already put a black stain on your White chador of Sikhi. If you still don’t wake up, you will fall further deep in this trap of Maya. Wake up and realize that your relationship with Guru Sahib takes precedence over everything else.

“What I meant was that my love for her is purely platonic (without Kaam)” – Dear brother, this human life was not given to us by Guru Sahib to have Kaamic love or non-Kaamic love. Anything that can possibly break or weaken our relationship with Vaheguru, should be avoided. If she is meant to be for you, then by the work of Vaheguru, you will get married to her. When the time for Anand Sanskaar arrives, you will get married. Don’t go around hunting for marriage partners like Western people.


Why a Gurmukh does not become Majnoo of a Laila

Gurmukhs realize that everything that is visible is false and nothing in this world is true. They fall in love with the creator of this world - Vaheguru - by chanting his Naam day and night. They fall in love with Naam and the Giver of Naam – Satguru. Gurmukhs too are Majnoos. They are Majnoon-e-Allah i.e. Majnoos of Vaheguru.

Bhai Nandlal jee has put forward a very interesting Pankiti:

ਗੋਇਆ ਦੋ ਜਹਾਂ ਰਾ, ਬ-ਜਵੇ ਨਾ ਸਿਤਾਨਦ।
ਮਜਨੂਨੇ ਤੌ, ਕੈ ਆਸ਼ਕੇ ਲੈਲਾ ਬਾਸ਼ਦ।


(Goya (Bhai Nandlal jee) does not place the price of two worlds equal to even a seed of Jau. Why would your Majnoo O Vaheguru, become an Aashiq (lover) of a Laila?)

Bhai Sahib is asking a question – why would Vaheguru’s Majnoo become infatuated with a Laila? Laila here represents a girl (or a boy in case of girls). One heart is capable of having only one lover. Once the heart is taken by one lover, it can’t be taken away by someone else. One heart, in one lifetime can only truly love one personality. A Gurmukh’s heart is already taken by Vaheguru. There is no chance that a Gurmukh would lose his heart to a worldly lover.

Coming back to Bhai Sahib’s question why would a Vaheguru jee’s Majnoo be Aashiq on a Laila? The question can be answered with another question – Why would someone who is in love with Truth, fall in love with False?

Below are some examples from history that highlight the high moral characters of Gursikhs.

Sardar Baghel Singh

One of the incidents that highlight the high moral character of Puratan Sikhs, took place during the 1700s, and involves a Muslim girl of Lahore royal family that fell in the hands of a Jatha of Singhs under the command of Sardar Baghel Singh. Sardar jee in those times was in his prime and a very handsome young man. On the other hand, this Muslim princess whose name I can’t remember now, was known for her good looks. She was accustomed to getting attention for her good looks. Anyone who looked at her once would look at her again as is the natural reflex. At first when she found herself amidst the sworn enemy of her family – the Singhs, she was terrified. But when she noticed that Singhs were not even looking at her, she got a bit surprised and upset too. She couldn’t understand why no one was looking at her and why her beauty was not found to be attractive here. She was safely escorted back to her parents but before that she got an opportunity to talk to Sardar Baghel Singh. He explained to her the high moral standards set by Guru Sahib. She got very impressed hearing all this. Such was the character of Singhs, in olden days. This incident has been very beautifully captured by the superb writing of Sardar Sadhu Singh Hamdard the former editor of Punjabi Ajit in India. I read this when I was a child.


Master Tara Singh and the English woman

An English woman wrote a very interesting incident concerning Master Tara Singh. Master Tara Singh was very young at that time and was travelling on a train. Across from him a beautiful young English woman was sitting. She had been accustomed to attention from men but she was surprised and very impressed to see that not once did Master jee try to take a glance at her. So impressed was she that she actually wrote about this incident. Such was the high character of our leaders in the past.


Bau Mal Singh jee in Belgium

Bau Mal Singh jee, one of the closest companion of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee was serving in 1st World War in Belgium. During the evening time, he was sitting on a bench when some women sat near him. The started conversing with him and at some point asked him if he liked them. They had other intentions for Bau jee but they did not know that Bau jee was not an ordinary person. He was a player of high spiritual states. Bau jee responded by saying that surely he liked them. They were very pleased to hear this. The next moment Bau jee said that he liked them like his sister and daughter. They were shocked to hear and fled uttering unintelligible utterings.


Sant Arjun Singh jee

Sant Arjun Singh jee was a companion of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. Sant jee was a very great soul. When Bhai Sahib was arrested, he too was arrested by police and they asked him if he knew Bhai Sahib. His response was very interesting. He said, “what to talk about me, the three worlds know Bhai Sahib”. The police released him after keeping him in detention for couple of days. He knew not what fear was. He worried not about anything. He stayed in the divine state of Naam all the time.

One day, he was submerged in the divine colours of Naam that he wandered unintentionally to that part of the city where flesh trade takes place. He was young and handsome and as is the custom of flesh trade bazaar, the working women there started calling and seducing him. At that point Sant jee got aware of his surroundings. He was not a normal person like Ajamal who was hit by Kaam when a young prostitute had just looked at him provocatively and this way lost his whole life to Kaam. Sant jee were very accomplished Gursikh and right away he was hit by immense bairaag. In full bairaag, he in a loud piercing voice started doing kirtan. Imagine what chaos would have occurred in this bazaar at the sight of a Gurmukh-Sant doing kirtan. The hearts that were burning with the fire of Kaam were extinguished in an instant. The women who just a moment ago were trying to seduce Sant jee, fell at his feet. Their hearts were purified by the effect of Gurbani kirtan. They beseeched and they implored to him to save them from Kalyug. Sant jee stayed oblivious and when they continued their imploring, Sant jee freed himself from them and hurriedly left the place. Before leaving he declared that only they will be saved who accept the amrit of Siri Dasmesh jee. Such was the character of Gursikhs of those times.

The Piteous State of Today’s Sikh Youth

If we notice a Gursikh, who has taken Amrit of Guru Sahib and becomes so attracted to the member of opposite sex that he (or she) can only think of her and can’t live without her, then surely such person was never in love with Guru Sahib. Every now and then we hear of a Gursikh brother or sister, shamelessly declaring that he or she will die unless he or she marries such and such person. How did a Gursikh end up at such stage? Wasn’t he an Amritdhari to begin with? How did he violate such a strict order of Guru Sahib of considering other-women as mothers, sisters and daughters?

Our youth now-a-days has reached such state that it has no hesitation or shame before openly communicating with the members of opposite sex. Today they start chatting with someone, tomorrow they start sharing their problems with each other, the day after tomorrow they develop feelings for each other and soon they are going out. Even at Kirtan Samagams where countless Gurmukhs are engaged in praising the true Lord, some of the misled youth are overcome with Aashiqaana feelings (Amorous feelings). The high, impregnable character of Khalsa youth has taken such a beating. Today if you look around, you can count on your fingertips such individuals who have not been stained by entering into relationships before marriage.

The Internet has really shrunk the world. Today, if something occurs in the Sikh community in one country, it quickly spreads across the globe. If a young male or female commits an act of transgression, then the reputation of such individual is stained for life. Once one’s character gets stained, it’s hard to build it back.

Gursikhs must rise above the Maya of this world and maintain strong Khalsa character. The time of marriage and the partner for life has already been chosen by Vaheguru. So relax and stop hunting for your life partner on your own. A Sikh youth who keeps strong character, keeps Sikhi Rehit is always in demand as far as marriage is concerned. A youth who starts hunting for a life partner on his own, soon gets his character stained and before he or she realizes, it’s too late.

No one is saying that we should become a segregated society like the Muslims and keep Purdah and don’t talk with each other at all. What’s required is to know our limits. Far too many Kaam-related mistakes are being committed by our youth because of their proximity to members of opposite sex.

May Guru Sahib do Kirpa and enable his Sikhs to keep a strong moral character on which Guru Sahib can be proud of.

Bhul Chuk dee Maafi jee

Kulbir Singh
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Bhai Kulbir Singh ji, thanks for raising this much needed issue.

It is true, today, not only in the West but also in the East, gursikhs are falling prey to worldy relationships with the opposite gender before marriage. The characters of the great gursikhs given above are exemplary.

Bhai Gurdaas ji's vaar relates to this post perfectly;

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥
ਲੇਲੈਮਜਨੂੰਆਸਕੀਚਹੁਚਕੀਜਾਤੀ॥
ਸੋਰਠਿਬੀਜਾਗਾਵੀਐਜਸੁਸੁਘੜਾਵਾਤੀ॥
ਸਸੀਪੁੰਨੂੰਦੋਸਤੀਹੁਇਜਾਤਿਅਜਾਤੀ॥
ਮੇਹੀਵਾਲਨੋਸੋਹਣੀਨੈਤਰਦੀਰਾਤੀ॥
ਰਾਂਝਾਹੀਰਵਖਾਣੀਐਓਹੁਪਿਰਮਪਰਾਤੀ॥
ਪੀਰਮੁਰੀਦਾਪਿਰਹੜੀਗਾਵਨਿਪਰਭਾਤੀ ॥੧॥
[www.sikhitothemax.com]

Here's a fitting picture of Laila and Majnoo for this thread;

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WaheGuruJiKaKhalsa ll WaheGuruJiKiFateh ll

Excellent post Bhai Sahib Jio! Wah! Tusi tan Kamaal hee karti!! Wah! KYA BAAT HAI!!!

Truly this is becoming a huge problem in the youth today. They think the high moral values of for each other thats prevalent in Sikhi, its too old, too "desi", and in order to stick on to the the Western society, and still keep Sikhi on the side, they have to copy Western so-called "values". But such Manmukh is never accepted in Guru Sahib's eyes!

Today, Daas and many other Singhs see young Singhs who still in their teens already making plans for marriage, already deciding. WaheGuru Bless them!
Marriage, if written, will take place by the command of WaheGuru. By the Divine Hukam of SatGuruJi! No one can change that. Its going to take place when the time arrives, its going to take place whers its written its going to take place, its going to take place with the person its written with.

So calm down, relax, focus on WaheGuru. Focus on Bhagti, Naam, Simran, Bandgi, GurBaani Paatth.
Focus on Panthic issues and how to fix them.

Focus on GuruJi's hukam!

Excellent post Bhai Sahib Jio!
Fabulous!

Marvelous writing!!

WaheGuruJiKaKhalsa ll WaheGuruJiKiFateh ll
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ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਤਨਿ ਵਸਹਿ ਚੰਡਾਲ ॥
Unfulfilled sexual desire and unresolved anger dwell in my body, like the outcasts who cremate the dead.
ਧਾਣਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਰਹਾ ਕਰਤਾਰ ॥੨॥
I live as a wild hunter, O Creator! ||2||
(Ang 24)

Page 13, Line 8
ਕਾਮਿ ਕਰੋਧਿ ਨਗਰੁ ਬਹੁ ਭਰਿਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਖੰਡਲ ਖੰਡਾ ਹੇ ॥
कामि करोधि नगरु बहु भरिआ मिलि साधू खंडल खंडा हे ॥
Kām karoḏẖ nagar baho bẖari▫ā mil sāḏẖū kẖandal kẖanda he.
The body-village is filled to overflowing with anger and sexual desire; these were broken into bits when I met with the Holy Saint.
Guru Ram Das
Page 37, Line 18
ਸੁਣਿ ਸੁਣਿ ਕਾਮ ਗਹੇਲੀਏ ਕਿਆ ਚਲਹਿ ਬਾਹ ਲੁਡਾਇ ॥
सुणि सुणि काम गहेलीए किआ चलहि बाह लुडाइ ॥
Suṇ suṇ kām gahelī▫e ki▫ā cẖalėh bāh ludā▫e.
Listen, listen, O soul-bride: you are overtaken by sexual desire-why do you walk like that, swinging your arms in joy?
Page 43, Line 8
ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾਮਿ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਸਮਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗਾਵਾਰੁ ॥
माइआ कामि विआपिआ समझै नाही गावारु ॥
Mā▫i▫ā kām vi▫āpi▫ā samjẖai nāhī gāvār.
Engrossed in Maya and sexual desire, the fool does not understand.
Guru Arjan Dev
Page 46, Line 6
ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਬਿਨਸਿਆ ਤਜਿਆ ਸਭੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥੨॥
Sexual desire, anger and greed are eliminated, and all egotistical pride is abandoned. ||2||
Guru Arjan Dev

Page 50, Line 7
ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਮਦਿ ਬਿਆਪਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੋਨੀ ਪਾਇ ॥੨॥
Engrossed in the intoxication of sexual desire and anger, people wander through reincarnation over and over again. ||2||
Guru Arjan Dev
Page 51, Line 9
ਕਾਮਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਧਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ ਮਾਤੇ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥

The world is drunk, engrossed in sexual desire, anger and egotism.
Guru Arjan Dev

Page 58, Line 7
ਸਬਦਿ ਰਤੇ ਸੇ ਨਿਰਮਲੇ ਤਜਿ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ॥
Those who are attuned to the Shabad are spotless and pure; they renounce sexual desire, anger, selfishness and conceit.
Guru Nanak Dev
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'No one is saying that we should become a segregated society like the Muslims and keep Purdah and don’t talk with each other at all. What’s required is to know our limits. Far too many Kaam-related mistakes are being committed by our youth because of their proximity to members of opposite sex.'

From a strictly personal point of view I think one should limit the amount of time talking or communicating with Bibiyan who are not relations. Contact in my eyes should be kept to a bare minimum to prevent falling into the trap of this terrible vice that has ruined so many lives and in an instant!
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ੴਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ॥

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji ki Fateh

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A Sikh youth who keeps strong character, keeps Sikhi Rehit is always in demand as far as marriage is concerned.

ਸੌਲਾਂ ਆਨੇ ਸੱਚ means cent percent true. Appreciate the whole write up.

With Regards,
Daas
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Excellent write. Needs to be spread to the youth. Could also be candidate of our Gurmatbibek magzine - this subject is not written at many places.

Bhul Chuk Maaf !!
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Here are some behavioral rules I think a Gursikh should adopt as a part of his behavior.

-If a young Bibi is near by whether she is married or unmarried, I think that the rule for a Gursikh male should be to always keep his nazar/gaze lowered. Eye contact should generally be avoided with a Bibi.

-Talking to a young Bibi who is not related to oneself should be avoided.

-In my opinion conversation with a Bibi should also be avoided since it is essentially from a conversation that you and the Bibi will feel conformable around each other and that can lead to the beginnings of a romantic relationship. So I think that a young Gabroo Jawan should never say Fateh first to a Bibi. If she says it first then only should he say it in return, since not returning a Fateh is a sin.

These are just my views, I know that to some this may seem extreme, but trust me if you do this you will avoid being trapped in a romantic relation before marriage.
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i agree with all of the previous comments. an excellent article on an important and timely topic. please post this with a permanent link on the site. it should be easily available for all to read.
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In my opinion conversation with a Bibi should also be avoided since it is essentially from a conversation that you and the Bibi will feel conformable around each other and that can lead to the beginnings of a romantic relationship. So I think that a young Gabroo Jawan should never say Fateh first to a Bibi. If she says it first then only should he say it in return, since not returning a Fateh is a sin.


just curious... is this how you treat your sister? not saying fateh for fear it will lead to a romantic relationship?

if we treat each other like brother and sister, like guru sahib has told us to do, how can we develop inappropriate feelings?
how can you fight side by side with a singhni if you can't even look at her without getting wrong feelings? how can you sit in sangat? best to do ardaas that kaam be removed... best to do simran to keep kaam under control. there's no reason to punish bibia because of your own vikkars. we are all brothers and sisters and should all be treated as such. we're not muslims. thank god.
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well said 1kaur. hjsingh's going a little overboard. good article and that's a good pic.
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good article, i recommend it be sent around via email to all naujawan
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I hope the piteous "Sikh" youth like me can learn something from this, and also from Bhai Jaspreet Singh Jee's post. Trying to dissuade someone who has become a majnoo laila is very difficult as they are totally blinded by Kaam or what one may think is "love" and they will put any excuse no matter how ridiculous to justify their actions. I think it is better to go "overboard" to be safe rather than pretend it is all bhainjeebhainjee/veerjeeveerjee until when you realise it's too late. I think only a fraction percentage of all Amritdharis have the brother/sister mindset by word, deed, and thought, certainly not filthy vikaaris like me.

It's no secret it's ghor Kaljug, getting worse everyday, these Kaam mistakes are only going to increase.
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BIG SLAP!
BIG SLAP!

I read less than half the article and shivering already. Will read full when I come back to senses.

Bhai Kulbir Singh ji, I will never thank you for putting this up, because thanking you will not be enough. Tuhade pairi hath lounay painay.
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Bhai Kulbir Singh ji, I will never thank you for putting this up, because thanking you will not be enough. Tuhade pairi hath lounay painay.

Veer Mehtab Singh jeeo, Sabh Vadiaaee Guru Sahib dee hai, jihna ne iss keet tau sewa laee hai.

May Guru Sahib save us from the force of Kaam. Kaam is very powerful and it has reach in all the worlds and universes below Sachkhand/Karamkhand. Please read the following related extract written taken from the following link:

[gurmatbibek.com]

Kaam

If we really think of it what is Kaam? Kaam is the attraction that our mann (mind) feels looking at the body, the physical body of the opposite sex. What is this attraction? It is really weird if you think of it. This is one of the purest and rawest form of haume. Pure Haume it is because this emotion triggers in for the physical body of the opposite sex. Higher the feeling of Kaam, heavier the Haume is in oneself.

The jeev is jyot (illuminated being) but under the spell of Haume it thinks that it is the physical body and that by possessing the body of the opposite sex, it will get pleasure. Under the illusion of maya, the jeev thinks that by coming in touch with the body of the opposite sex, it will find pleasure. How can jyot saroopi jeev, get anand if it’s body touches or comes in contact with the physical body of the opposite sex? This is a very bizarre sensation that is felt because of haume.

To get a more clear understanding, imagine that this body that we have, somehow starts thinking that it is not the human body but is the clothes it wears. Now imagine how stupid it would be to think that when the clothes of this body touch the clothes of body of opposite sex, the clothes feel pleasure. It’s like feeling anand if the clothes of our body touch with the clothes of the body of opposite sex. How can our body derive anand if it’s clothes touch clothes of the body of the opposite sex? Same way, how can the jeev that is Atma roop derive pleasure if it’s body touches the body of opposite sex? It is the illusion of haume that causes this pleasure.

Here is what Siri Guru jee states about Kaam in Gurbani:

ਹੇ ਕਾਮੰ ਨਰਕ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮੰ ਬਹੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਵਣਹ ॥
ਚਿਤ ਹਰਣੰ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਲੋਕ ਗੰਮ੍ਯ੍ਯੰ ਜਪ ਤਪ ਸੀਲ ਬਿਦਾਰਣਹ ॥
ਅਲਪ ਸੁਖ ਅਵਿਤ ਚੰਚਲ ਊਚ ਨੀਚ ਸਮਾਵਣਹ ॥
ਤਵ ਭੈ ਬਿਮੁੰਚਿਤ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਮ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਰਾਇਣਹ ॥੪੬॥


Addressing Kaam, Siri Guru Panchmesh Pita jee say, O Kaam, you control the jeev and make it reside in hell (Narak Bishraamang) and then make it wander in various life forms. You control the jeevs and your reach is in the three worlds of creation. You destroy the Jap-Tap (Bhagti) and Sheel (good character) of jeevs. You give very little pleasure to the jeevs but in return of that little pleasure you give, the jeevs lose their wealth, you make them chanchal i.e. unstable. Whether the creatures are great or small, you reach all of them. In the last pankiti, Siri Guru jee address Kaam, "O Kaam, the jeevs get liberated from you only when they reach Sadh-Sangat i.e. the sangat of Guru; therefore O Nanak, take refuge of Vaheguru Narayana".

Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Amazing post singh sahib .. A wake up call for our sikh youth.

" ਗੋਇਆ ਦੋ ਜਹਾਂ ਰਾ, ਬ-ਜਵੇ ਨਾ ਸਿਤਾਨਦ।
ਮਜਨੂਨੇ ਤੌ, ਕੈ ਆਸ਼ਕੇ ਲੈਲਾ ਬਾਸ਼ਦ। "

^^ ਵਾਹ ਜੀ ਵਾਹ !!

seriously speechless ...

Thanks for sharing singh sahib .

Vaheguroo jee ka khalsa Vaheguroo jee kee fateh jee
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No words left to be said. Dumbfounded! Speechless! I feel I have been silenced.
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Consequences of Kaam-related activities of the youth.

Father kills daughter, her paramour in Moga
Kulwinder Sandhu
Tribune News Service

Moga, August 19
In a fit of rage, a man has shot dead his teenage daughter and her lover, after seeing them together in his house at Chand Purana village in the Moga district late last night.

According to information, the youth, identified as Harjinder Singh (22), belonging to a Scheduled Caste family, went to meet his beloved Luvpreet Kaur (17), daughter of Jaspal Singh, a Jat-Sikh, at her residence last night.

The girl was sleeping inside a room, while the girl’s parents were sleeping in the front yard of the house. Harjinder jumped the boundary wall of the house, while all of them were fast asleep and straightaway went to Luvpreet’s room.

After sometime, Jaspal Singh woke up, saw a youth with his daughter and sounded an alarm. Realising himself in danger, Harjinder called-up his brother Kuljinder Singh for help, but the enraged father loaded his .12 bore gun and first shot at his daughter, who received pellets on her shoulder. She came out of the room and pleaded before his father not to kill her. Her father rushed towards the room and locked him inside and then again turned back and fired another shot at his daughter leaving her dead on the spot.

The youth, who possessed a sharp-edged weapon, tried to break the window to come out, but Jaspal Singh pulled him out and fired a shot in his chest. The youth died within minutes.

Meanwhile, Harjinder, brother of the youth, jumped over the boundary wall of the house with a sword in his hand and attempted to attack the father of the girl, but he was also shot at from a narrow range. Soon after committing the crime, the father of the girl fled away from the spot.

The villagers rushed the injured youth to the district hospital, from where he was referred to the DMCH at Ludhiana. His condition was still said to be serious.

The police has registered a case under Sections 302, 307 of the IPC, Sections 25, 27, 54 of the Arms Act and relevant Sections of the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, in the Baghapurana police station.

SSP Sneh Deep Sharma said the deceased youth was earlier involved in a case of attempt to murder and was out on bail.
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In a fit of rage, a man has shot dead his teenage daughter and her lover, after seeing them together in his house at Chand Purana village in the Moga district late last night.

According to information, the youth, identified as Harjinder Singh (22), belonging to a Scheduled Caste family, went to meet his beloved Luvpreet Kaur (17), daughter of Jaspal Singh, a Jat-Sikh, at her residence last night.

not only a consequence of kaam, but of caste hatred. you have to wonder if the father would have killed the boy if it was another jatt.. or if he'd just have made his daughter marry him. confused smiley
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not only a consequence of kaam, but of caste hatred. you have to wonder if the father would have killed the boy if it was another jatt.. or if he'd just have made his daughter marry him.


I am not justifying the killing but coming from Punjab and knowing the culture, I believe the father surely would have done the same thing, even if the boy had been a Jatt. To see your unmarried teenage daughter in a compromising condition with a boy, right in your own home, would have triggerred a similar response from the shocked father. Of course, the murder was committed in a fit of range. The father committed the murder of his own daughter. Now he will spend the rest of his life in jail and the burden of this sin will stay on his breast all life.

The Bhoots Kaam, Krodh and Hankar are wreaking havoc on us poor people stuck in Kalyug.

Kulbir Singh
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

First of all a beautiful post, very inspiring. I have deleted all chat programs off my computer immediately after reading it. smiling smiley Thank You! This was the wake up call that I needed.
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Thats why we have been well informed in charitropakhyaan so that we should stay away from these thing which corrupt our surti and birti. What happened in punjab is just another story of charitropakhaayn. If you dont understand human character, especially bad human character, you can easily get indulged with that character. You need to know about the bad well if you want to stay away from doing bad. I think its better if your guru teaches you about that rather than you learning with your experience and then realizing that it is too late.I think this is the message of charitars and we have seen as example in the news and believe me there are many more around.

Good topic bhai kulbir singh ji.Example of laila majnoos dosti has been give in bhai gurdaas jis vaars as well and and i think thats the dosti you need with waheguru and guru
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ਰੂਹ ਦਰ ਹਰ ਜਿਸਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ
ਨੂਰ ਦਰ ਹਰ ਚਸ਼ਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ
How can one now see another person with dirty eyes smiling smiley
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just curious... is this how you treat your sister? not saying fateh for fear it will lead to a romantic relationship?

if we treat each other like brother and sister, like guru sahib has told us to do, how can we develop inappropriate feelings?
how can you fight side by side with a singhni if you can't even look at her without getting wrong feelings? how can you sit in sangat? best to do ardaas that kaam be removed... best to do simran to keep kaam under control. there's no reason to punish bibia because of your own vikkars. we are all brothers and sisters and should all be treated as such. we're not muslims. thank god.

Bhenji 1kaur jee, im totally in favor of this. I personally feel Bibian feel odd when a Singh around their age says Fateh to them. It seems weird. Plus it can turn on Kaamic/lusty feelings. For someone like me, who's entrapped by Kaam, i avoid saying Fateh. Altough I respect all GurSikhs, whether male or female, but when it comes to Bibian, there are very few occurences where I've said Fateh.

I understand and highly respect your point, Bhenji. We have to have that Avastha in order to see a Bibi as our sister. That we do by intense Kamaai of Naam-Simran-Baani. Then the mind if cleansed and truly we're able to see women as daughters, sisters and mothers. Just merely saying that so and so Bibi is like my sister, but the mind is wandering somewhere else, isn't going to help.

Bhul Chuk Maaf.


WaheGuruJiKaKhalsa ll WaheGuruJiKiFateh ll
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I agree. Calling people veerjee/bhenjee has become a routine these days, and then in some cases they end up getting married also. I am no one to judge if that is right or wrong as I don't have much giyaan, but its a fact that today it has become a terminology just for convenience sake or to use it as a cover up excuse just for talking to someone. It is very much possible that there will be a Singh/Bibi who one looks upon as more than their own brother/sister and may not even call them as veerjee/bhenjee. It is also possible that some people call others veerjee/bhenjee and don't even mean it, rather they have other ulterior motives or inappropriate thoughts about them in their minds.

Its Kaljug! Everyone needs to watch out!

May Vaheguru ji save everyone from the vikaars!

ਰੂਹ ਦਰ ਹਰ ਜਿਸਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ
ਨੂਰ ਦਰ ਹਰ ਚਸ਼ਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ
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thank you bhai sahib

it's easy slip in this lane, but hard to become guroo sahib daa majnoo
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Definitely an important topic
However, I feel like sometimes we approach the issue the wrong way. I think it's very important that Singhs and bibian have open communication with each other, to the point where it comes naturally. We have to work together for panthic issues - whenever we develop the attitude that we should not even talk or look at one another, I feel like it's always bibian who end up getting pushed to the back. Guru Sahib always encouraged bibian to be at the forefront - he left 100 Kaurs in charge of defending the fort at Anandpur (I LOVE this story), leaving them with only 10 other Singhs... surely they did not avoid eye contact with their sisters then, or talking to their sisters then.


It's like Bhai Kulbir Singh has said - just relax, and focus on Guru Sahib. So if you are SO focused on avoiding the opposite gender, how can your mind be on Guru Sahib? You should not feel compelled to talk to the opposite gender, but in my opinion nothing comes out of "discipling" yourself to avoid them altogether. Discipline should be control of the mind. And gurbani says that the ONLY solution to kaam is to focus your mind on Guru Ji's shabad. That is where the discipline will come out of.


Sikhi shouldnt be followed stiffly, it should be a surrender to love. I agree with 1kaur that the best thing is to do ardaas. Fall at the feet of Guru Sahib and ask him to show you the way.


Vahegurrroooooo <3
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So there is no misunderstanding, I do agree however that there should be a degree of discipline in how we compose ourselves around the opposite gender, obviously. I am not suggesting scandalous behaviour of any sort. But talking to one another with dignity and respect, and knowing your limits.
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We forgot to even mention we have a Gurdwara sahib named after a real Majnu of Vaheguru, a Fakir who lived during the time of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji; Gurdwara Majnu ka Tila.



Maybe Bhai Kulbir Singh ji or someone else will be able to shed more light on the ithiaas of this Gurdwara sahib.
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