Re: Bacteria August 24, 2017 10:13PM |
Re: Bacteria August 28, 2017 10:27PM |
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Cells are living entities with a genetic past.
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I dont think prokaryotic cells such as bacteria would be classified under the 4 khani system.
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 10:46AM |
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 01:34PM |
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What part do you not understand when I say Gurbani does not teach Science? Gurbani is above science and has no interest in physical material.
4 Khanis is a reference. There are many references in Gurbani that are not meant to be taken literal.
I believe in Gurbani but not your literal interpretation on Hindu references.
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Next you will say Akal Purakh created 4 caste and there are only 4 caste. This is a very shallow debate which I have no interest in.
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 01:56PM |
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 03:48PM |
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Hindus, and Buddhist believe in Karma but there belief is completely different than Gurmat Karam Philosophy. Do you dare say Gurmat Karam Philosophy is not distinct from these man made philosophies of other faiths? If Karam Philosophy is different then why is philosophy of creation similar?
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Nothing in Science can contradict Gurbani because science cannot touch Gurbani. Science is about the natural world whereas Gurbani is about the supernatural and supernatural worlds. Dont confuse the two.
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In regards to your questions about bacteria or small cells such as prokaryotic cells it wouldnt be classified under the four Khanis. Cells make up organs. Cells have intelligent life but im not sure they include a jeev atma in every tiny cell. I dont know where in Gurbani it says billions of jeev atmas can occupy the same physical body as would be the case of Human beings who have billions tiny cells. Its possible anything is possible, but I dont know where in Gurbani is says such things
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 04:37PM |
Re: Bacteria August 29, 2017 09:21PM |
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Is this a religious debate or a science debate. I dont know because you keep mix-matching the two. Decide what topic you want to talk about. Stop mixing up the two for your own convenience.
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Next you will claim Sikhi shares the same belief of Monotheism as Islam and Judaism. Just because they believe in one God it doesnt mean its the same God. Some believe God is a white bearded man. None of these faiths teach God is nirankar.
Re: Bacteria August 30, 2017 10:01AM |
Re: Bacteria August 30, 2017 10:42AM |
Re: Bacteria September 01, 2017 02:24PM |
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Is this a religious debate or a science debate. I dont know because you keep mix-matching the two. Decide what topic you want to talk about. Stop mixing up the two for your own convenience.
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Karma is different in every religion. Hindus and Buddhist believe they are the masters of their actions, and its through their actions they can receive mukhti.
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A further point Buddhist dont even believe in a Creator who breaks bondage of karma. Gurmat teaches by the pure grace of Satuguru Ji can we receive Mukhti. We dont simply believe we come into this world because of bad actions and good actions will give us freedom. Freedom, sukh, dukh are all in the hands of Satguru Ji and only submitting to his hukum are we freed. Pray tell me what other religion teaches this concept of Karma and Mukhti. These are all different philosophies of Karma. Gurmat makes it clear how and why the jeev comes into this world and these beliefs are not talked about in both Hinduism in Buddhism. So dont claim that all have the same notion of Karma. Next you will claim Sikhi shares the same belief of Monotheism as Islam and Judaism. Just because they believe in one God it doesnt mean its the same God. Some believe God is a white bearded man. None of these faiths teach God is nirankar.
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In regards to Science you dont have a clue what your talking about. Where does Gurbani disagree with Evolution. Do you even understand evolution? In simple terms, evolution simply means everything changes according to their environment. Everything changes only Akal Purak is without change.
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Also please use Bhai Sahibs quote where he rejects Evolution. He rejects people using evolution theory to interpret the 5 khands the same way you use science and Gurbani interchangeably. These are two different things. Dont put words in Bhai Sahibs mouth. He doesnt need you too.
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In regards to 4 Khanis and the original question. The original video about Aliens claimed a person can only travel to different worlds through spirit, and in this world a spirit can enter a body in this world through 4 means ( mammal womb, egg, vegetation, and heat/sweat). The person asked if bacteria can be classified as part of the 4 khanis. I said no because because bacteria is made up of tiny cells and Im not sure cells are occupied by a jeev atma. If you are saying they do please rationalize your answer based on Gurmat pangtis. If you are going to make claims and claim it as Gurbani then back it up with Gurbani.
Re: Bacteria September 01, 2017 03:03PM |
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Kublir Singh
This question makes no sense. This is a religious forum and we are debating about a Gurmat stance. While discussing Gurmat, the topic of 4 Khaanis came and you came along claiming that you know more than Gurbani by saying that there is a 5th Khaani. We only talk about Gurmat on this forum and if a scientific principle contradicts a Gurbani statement, then we stand with Gurmat, no matter how convincing the scientific principle may seem to the five senses.
Re: Bacteria September 01, 2017 03:34PM |
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Welcome back Batman! Im sure your sidekick Robin needed a break.
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Once again the original poster asked if bacteria could be considered part of 4 khanis. Bacteria is made of many tiny cells. Based on Mannus 4 khani system then no prokaryotic cells cannot be part of the animate life that Mannu refers too. I never once said there are 5 khanis. Please quote me where I said that. I dont consider cells to be part of any khani system where have I stated that it is as you keep claiming. Im simply explaining to the person what bacteria is. Bacteria does not create insects.
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You should not speak so ignorantly about science on the basis of your religious interpretations especially since you have an amateur and rudimentary understanding of Science. Your views on Evolution is a perfect example. No where does it say that Man comes from Monkeys. Please quote a reliable source that says this. Where did you learn this from?
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Do you have any science credentials to speak against science principles? How can someone prove something wrong when they have no knowledge on the subject?
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Also do not wait for a video to post Bhai Sahibs quote against Dariwn. Im accusing you of putting words in Bhai Sahibs mouth so you should provide the quote or book and page number.
Re: Bacteria September 01, 2017 04:14PM |
Re: Bacteria September 01, 2017 08:04PM |
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The quote you provided doesnt say man comes from apes he says man, apes, gorillas etc have a common ancestor.
Re: Bacteria September 02, 2017 11:35AM |
Re: Bacteria September 02, 2017 01:44PM |
Re: Bacteria September 02, 2017 01:57PM |
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If you are going to make a video and you wont it to be successful then you will have to learn about DNA, Genetics, Cell , Ecosystems, and Human Anatomy.
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You need to be able to answer how Human beings currently have the frame they have. If you claim it came out of thin air ( spontaneous generation) and this is what Gurbani teaches few Gursikhs ( at lease the educated ones ) are going to believe this explanation or agree with your interpretation of Gurbani. Evolution is an educational topic not a religious one.
Re: Bacteria September 02, 2017 03:02PM |
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Re: Bacteria September 03, 2017 12:03PM |
Re: Bacteria September 04, 2017 01:23AM |
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Suthra Singh
To me Gurbani does not talk about Science it talks about spirituality. I see no point why Guru Sahib would want to talk about such a mundane subject. Guru sahib talks about the creator there is no stress on the creation. The creation is false how much faith can we put in it? Why would he want to explain how the creation came about? He doesnt care nor should we Sikhs care about how creation came about because ultimately its still part of Maya.
Re: Bacteria September 04, 2017 08:42AM |