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IMPORATANT: Gurmantar Is Not Naam? Please Discuss

Posted by ms514 
VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Disclaimer: PLEASE don't make this about the organization that is doing this parchar or the individuals doing the parchar. It is more objective and appropriate to address the points and not the organizations/individuals behind it, regardless of whatever your opinions about them may be.

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Gurmantar is not Naam (???)



Ong is Naam (???)

Please do vichaar. This...does not appear correct. The intent of this post is to provide a counter-point to this. I more or less agree with the counter-points on this offered by Bhai Bijla Singh here:

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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Video to go along with the Ong slide for reference. Again, it does not appear correct.
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This is a very weird philosophy and isn't inline with Gurmat.

They have not provided any Gurbani Panktis which support their claim that Ong is Naam and they are just using their own intellect to make unsupported claims.

Naam and Gurmantar are one in the same and Naam is given by Panj Pyare in Hazoori of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee during Amrit Sanchaar.

They think that Naam is just a Naad or ringing sound and that hearing different instrumentals is Anhad Shabad and that is Darshan of Vaheguru jee but this is not what Gurmat teaches. This is more inline with Yogmat and is very similar to what the Tarmala group teaches. I am not sure if this is just one of their groups or not but they are far from the actual spirituality taught by Guru Sahib.

Below is a post written by Bhai Kulbir Singh jee on this topic.

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Radhasoamis and Yogis claim that the Anhad Shabad are 5 in number and they use Gurbani Shabads containing "Panch Shabad" to prove their point that there are 5 kinds of Anhad Shabad. The word "Panch" also means superior or great. "Panch Shabad" actually means superior or celestial Shabads that Gurmukhs hear when their Dasam Duaar opens up. Below is a very interesting story from Bhai Sahib's life, and that sheds a great deal on Anhad Shabads. This Saakhi has been taken from Bhai Sahib's book "Anhad Shabad Dasam Duaar". It's not a direct translation.

Once a gursikh came to Bhai Sahib and started talking about Anhad Shabad. He said that he could now clearly hear the bell ring, sometimes the roaring of clouds and even a flute. He wanted to confirm his spiritual state with Bhai Sahib. Bhai Sahib in response to his question said that he did not hear any of these voices and sounds i.e. instrumental sounds. At this he got greatly disheartened.

Bhai Sahib asked him what exactly he was doing while doing abhyaas. He said that he had a black dot on the wall for dhyaan (concentration) and he does one Siri Sukhmani Sahib paath looking at the dot. Then he kept his mind quiet and tried to listen to the five kinds of celestial sounds (as written by Yogis and Radhasoamis). After a while he started hearing faint sounds of ringing bells, waterfall, flute etc. The black dot too illuminated and this really motivated him and he started thinking that he was listening to Anhad Shabad.

Bhai Sahib did not doubt what he was telling because Bhai Sahib knew that this person was telling the truth. Bhai Sahib told him that they would discuss this again the next day. That day at night Bhai Sahib sat in Smadhi and tried to hear the five sounds this person was mentioning. He could not hear anything other than Gurmat Anhad Shabad (Sifat Salaah that occurs in Sachkhand). From this high spiritual state, Bhai Sahib brought down his surtee to a much lower level and he was surprised to hear that all five sounds that the Gursikh had mentioned could be heard at different levels. Bhai Sahib has written that there was not even 1/millionth anand or bliss in these instrumental sounds as compared to the Gurmat Anhad Shabad. Bhai Sahib had never delved in these mystical realms since they were at a much lower level as compared to Gurmat Dasam Duar.

Bhai Sahib came out of smadhi and immediately went to that gursikh who had asked this question from Bhai Sahib and told him that he was totally engaged in wrong anti-Gurmat practices. Bhai Sahib narrated to him about his experience and told him that little bit of concentration that he had was a result of Siri Sukhmani Sahib paath and he started hearing those instrumental sounds. Bhai Sahib said that these spiritual realms were lower than the lofty spiritual realms of Gurmat. Bhai Sahib told him that Gurmat Anhad Shabad is way superior to the 5 so called Anhad Shabads.

From this saakhi of Bhai Sahib we learn that these five shabads that Radhasoamis talk about do exist but they are not attained by the way they work in it. Actually these five shabads are the invention or discovery of Yogis and RS has just adopted their theory. Gurmat does not believe in limited 5 shabads. Panch Shabad in Gurbani does not mean 5 Shabad but Panch means superior or greatest shabads. Gurmat believes in “Vajae Shabad Ghanaray” i.e. countless shabads and not only 5.

Bhul Chuk dee Maafi jee. The above is based on Bhai Sahib's book - Anhad Shabad Dasam Duaar.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh

Preetam Singh
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