Bijla Singh Wrote:
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> It is not about what people in Punjab want but
> what is required for Sikhs to grow and prosper
> socially, economically and religiously.
So it is clear that you are not worried about Punjab or Punjabis. You are worried about your Sikh political idealogy and power. This also implies that for you Hindus would be a second rate citizens in Khalistan and whatever you might say on paper, the ground reality would be that they would be just like sikhs today are in Pakistan.
> Surely, Khalistanis can’t be blamed for it but
> it is Khalistanis who are proposing a solution
> whereas the opponents rather see the Panth remain
> in slavery.
Khalistan is no solution at all. Its just a utopian idea. The solution lies in improvement and reform at political, social, economic levels. To advocate that this is something which necessarily depends on a religious base in a state would be a lie. If this were so then what can you say about the western countries which are secular in nature and yet are advanced and better in all these aspects?
This argument alone is enough to counter your rationale that only a Khalistan can provide a better lifestyle for Punjabis.
The process of improvement would emanate from educational processes.
> No doubt it would fail. But not because of Indian
> patriotism or that Sikhs are deadly against
> Khalistan. At one point, Khalistan had the most
> support. In next 10 years if it gains support
> again, what would be your next argument?
My argument would be the same as it is now and that is that people's aspirations should be foremost. People of Punjab are not in consonance with your utopian ideas of Khalistan. You are being arrogant by advocating the idea that you shall decide to bring about a Khalistan and rule over Punjabis even if they do not want it. Such an act can only be termed as a dictatorship.
>If there
> was a referendum asking Punjabi people if they
> really wish to live in India versus a Western
> country, almost all would leave Punjab. Can we
> then conclude from this that India as a country
> should not exist?
>
You are sadly mistaken if you think that 'almost all' would leave Punjab. You need to understand the demographics of the immigration taking place. Most of the people who migrated from Punjab to western countries were uneducated village folks. They did not have muc opportunities of growth back in Punjab. They would not explore the options of going to Delhi, Calcutta, Bombay or Bangalore. Their destination of choice is the west. They came here to earn money. Students all still coming to west for securing a better job future. 99.9% of them are not really religious people. They follow sikhism as a culture more than a religion.
ਇਥੇ ਜਿੰਨੇ ਵੀ ਮੁੰਡੇ ਕੁੜੀਆਂ ਅੱਜ ਕੱਲ ਆਉਂਦੇ ਨੇ, ਸਾਰੇ ਇਥੇ ਆ ਕੇ ਰੋਂਦੇ ਨੇ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਥੇ ਹੱਡ ਤੁੜਾਉਨੇ ਪੈਂਦੇ ਨੇ , ਇਥੇ ਜਿੰਦਗੀ ਕੋਈ ਸੌਖੀ ਨਹੀਂ . ਹਾਂ ਉਹ ਵਾਪਿਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੇ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਪਿਛੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਮਾਈ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲਣੀ , ਨੌਕਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲਣੀ.
The responsibility of creation of jobs and industry lies with the state goverment, not the centre. This means a good party in power would improve the whole situation drastically. It is the Akali government which is to be blamed for this situation. NOT the centre. This proves that the problem lies with state government.
Online Khalistanis would have us believe that there is there are 2 black and white sides in Punjab with Sikhs in Punjab on one side and Hindu central government on the other. They refuse to properly acknowledge the fact that its actuallythe Akali state goverment which is to be blamed. Naredra Modi proved in Gujarat that even when there is an opposition government at the centre the state government can bring prosperity with its political will and policy implementation. Dynamic leadership is the key. Not a religious utopian government.
> Nobody in Punjab wants a Khalistan.
>
> Again, this is not a valid argument against
> Khalistan.
Is it not? ਤੁਸੀਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਪੰਜਾਬੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਦੇ , ਉਹਨਾਂ ਉੱਤੇ ਧੱਕੇਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਾ ਰਾਜ ਥੋਪੋਂਗੇ ? ਥੋਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਧੱਕੇਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਾ ਹੱਕ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਮਿਲਿਆ ?
>Have you personally taken a State wide
> survey to form such a conclusion or is it due to
> your limited interaction with people who don’t
> know the real issues to begin with?
State wide survey ਕਰਵਾਉਣ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਥੋਨੂੰ ਹੈ . ਸਿਧ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਕਰਨਾ ਹੈ ਕੇ ਪੰਜਾਬੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ . ਮੇਰੀ interaction limited ਨਹੀਂ. ਚੰਡੀਗੜ , ਮੋਹਾਲੀ , ਪਟਿਆਲਾ , ਲੁਧਿਆਣਾ, ਕੈਥਲ , ਸੰਗਰੂਰ , ਬਠਿੰਡਾ , ਮੋਗਾ ਆਦਿਕ ਇਲਾਕਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਮੇਰੀਆਂ ਰਿਸ਼ਤੇਦਾਰੀਆਂ ਸਿਧੀਆਂ ਨੇ . ਤੇ ਬਾਕੀ ਹੋਰ ਬਹੁਤ ਇਲਾਕਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਦੋਸਤ ਮਿੱਤਰ ਨੇ .
Nobody wishes
> to die, nobody wishes to give up what little they
> have and nobody supports a movement which they
> hardly know anything about. How many Sikhs in
> Punjab really know the actual facts about 1984?
> How many know about basic Sikh principles?
> Majority of the youth is apostate and doing drugs.
> Can we conclude from this that this is exactly
> what the majority of the Sikhs want?
>
No you need to conclude that to tackle these issues you need to create better education system, and better job opportunities and stable/secure llifestyle and a future for the youth. The usage of drugs is much more rampant in areas where youth are jobless and unoccupied. To create more jobs you need political, administrative and social management skills.
These skills are not dependent on acquisition of a religious status.
> Did the majority people want the Mughal rule to
> end? No. Did the majority want the British rule to
> end? No. Do the majority people want to have
> Khalistan? No. But these statements do not prove
> in any way that Khalistan will not be a better
> rule.
You are still peddling a utopian ideal. What you should focus upon is to create trained and educated politicians, trained and educated administrators, big business investors who shall set up their base in Punjab and create jobs and bring about prosperity in the state.
Along with this you would need to work at the grass root level. You would need to bring about changes in society by using principles of social engineering. Again social engineering knowledge and skills is not dependent on being a Khalsa.
> What they want is resources, industry, jobs,
> governance, better system and just better everyday
> living.
>
> Absolutely. I completely agree but this should not
> be provided in exchange for freedom of religion
> and speech. Wouldn’t you agree? Hindus as
> individuals prospered during the Mughal rule while
> they collectively suffered. Marathas, Rajputs,
> Jats and Kshatriyas all had their own dominions in
> the Mughal rule. But they had to compromise their
> religious beliefs and remained as suzerains of the
> Mughals. Many Sikhs in India are prospering but
> they are not considered Sikhs but “long haired
> Hindus”. Does this seem fair to you?
If you think that you cannot practice your basic Sikh lifestyle in Punjab then it is a false statement. Nobody is out for your blood in Punjab just because you are a practicing Sikh. Even veer Kulbir Singh felt this when he visited Punjab a couple of years ago. Wherever he went he was treated with respect by the police because of his Khalsa attire.
> Now, let me give you a reality check since you
> think you know about what people want.
What I think is very simple and plainly obvious. A better goverment, a trained and educated administrative staff, legislative changes, industrial development, creation of jobs. These are the real issues. You cannot deny this.
> When it
> comes to resources, Punjab is the only State in
> India that has no control over its water and hydel
> resources. This is based on Provisions 78-80 of
> Punjab Reorganization Act of 1966 written by
> Gulzari Lal Nanda in collaboration with Indira
> Gandhi. These provisions are unconstitutional yet
> the Center has never allowed the case to be filed
> to the Supreme Court. Every time, Akali party took
> action, their government was suspended and
> Presidential rule was imposed. So Punjab cannot
> grow economically. When it comes to industry, it
> is entirely in the hands of the Center government.
> From state revenue to industrial projects and even
> grants are directly controlled by the government.
Not so. Who said that state revenue is controlled by the centre? There is a clear division in law as to what revenue are under purview of centre and what under the state.
State has full freedom to invite investment from any business quarters. Gujarat is prime example of how a state can grow even when opposition party is in power at centre.
> When it comes to governance, a State has no
> autonomy and much of the power is resided in the
> hands of the Center.
How so? Under the constitution of India there are three well defined lists on which state and centre can enact law. These are the State List, Centre List and Concurrent List.
> Contrary to the promises made
> by the Congress before independence that the
> Constitution would be of a federal structure with
> residuary powers with the autonomous States, a
> Constitution heavily leaning towards a unitary
> structure was framed. This current Constitution of
> India contains provisions which put the States in
> a subordinate position vis-a-vis the Centre. For
> example Article 248 gives residuary powers to the
> Centre; Article 249 provides that the Rajya Sabha,
> in the national interest, can authorize the Union
> Parliament to pass laws with respect to State
> subjects; Article 250 authorizes the Parliament to
> legislate on State Subjects during national
> Emergency. Article 356 envisages Presidential
> takeover of a State administration, in the event
> of a failure of the Constitutional machinery.
> Article 360 makes provisions for financial
> Emergency; and Article 155 gives powers to the
> Central Government to appoint Governors of its
> choice.
So? These are not specifically targeted towards Punjab you know? These apply on all the indian states.
> These Articles have brought the Centre and
> the States to a sharp confrontation, because the
> Union Government purposely tries to make political
> interference in the day-to-day functioning of the
> States.
You talk as if Union government is one unchanging monolithic body which has a fixed policy structure. In recent decade the behaviour of a central government is dependent on how the government has been formed at the centre. Whether it is a coalition or a simple majority. No central government interferes in day to day functioning of state government. Of course political processes are always at play because it is after all, politics.
>
> So you see, we Khalistanis do not know the reality
> and a thing or two about what is wrong and what
> people need to make their lives better. Those like
> you who “beat their chests” about greater
> autonomy of the states need to convince us how you
> propose to bring it to reality within the unitary
> structure of India?
By every one playing their roles in a better way. The work needs to be done at mutliple levels:
1. Grassroot level- Honest ethical work culture needs to be promoted among the masses. This comes under the purview of social work.
2. Individual- This is a vast area. One starts by becoming self-introspective. Understanding oneself, understanding how one's mind works, how thoughts come and go, how desires and emotions play their role. This awareness then expands one's consciousness and helps bring about a general universal understanding of causes of human misery. It also generates a compassionate attitude towards all forms of life. Such an aware individual would form the brick of the wall of the fort of a strong, true and compassionate society.
3. Political party level- Any change must be ushered in by new political leaders, new blood, with honesty and sincerity in their hearts. But just a right heart is not enough. It needs to be accompanied with education and training and then with experience. There are no shortcuts and no easy way. Things would change slowly and gradually. It would be impractical to expect overnight results. As the past generation leaders fade off and die , new generation would take their place. This does not mean that they would not inherit any of the vices from their predecessors. But change would be there.
4. Political participation- Masses need to be encouraged to participate in political processes. You would be surprised at how low voter turn out is.
5. Active track of political events and milestones- People have short memory. They forget easily. A culture needs to be developed where people remember what a particular party or a political did or promised.
5. Utilization of expert resources- University professors, industry veterans, experts from various fields are our most important resource. These resources should be harnessed for creating a dynamic and progressive policies and planning
6. Effecting changes in policies- Media and internet has grown so much in past decade. These can be utilised for mobilising people's ideas and aspirations and affect the governments to bring about policy changes.
7. Create a better foundations through great school education- This is a very important but neglected aspect. Education forms the basis of all social, political change. Teacher Recruitment needs to be done at mass scale. Do you know that there were only 12 B.Ed. colleges in Punjab before 2000 and today there are more than 260? Do you think all these teachers which graduate from these colleges every year are getting gainful employment? Sadly no. And to give you an idea how serious state goverment is about teacher education let me inform you that out of these 260+ colleges only a few (i think less than 5) are government colleges. So this is how serious state government is about preparing teachers. I can write tonnes on the woes of education policy of the state but I do not have time.
> I am sure the above arguments have proven that we
> not only care about the real issues but are fully
> aware of them. Because of these reasons, we
> believe Khalistan is the only solution. It is not
> the solution to all the Sikh problems but it is
> definitely the only solution for Punjab and Sikhs
> to have freedom to grow economically.
No. the solution lies is pointers I have indicated above. Khalistan is just a utopian idea. All and any factors of change in Punjab would come through education, training, awareness, exploration. Expertise in fields of administration, executive, policy implentation need to cultured and spread out at all levels of state. None of these change factors are dependent on the utopian idea of a Khalistan.
> Can't even manage Gurudwaras properly and yet want
> a separate, independent political state.
>
> This statement presupposes that all of the
> Gurdwaras are being managed by Khalistanis. Is
> there any evidence you can provide? Why do you
> think this problem is due to Khalistanis and not
> due to general lack of Sikhs to be proactive and
> progressive? How many Gurdwara in-fights have
> occurred due to Khalistan demand compared to Raag
> Maala, chairs, elections, personal interests and
> jatha conflicts? Was it the Khalistanis who
> proposed Gurdwara Act of 1926 which introduced
> election system in the Gurdwaras? Are you
> completely oblivious to the fact that the Center
> government and its puppets have tried time and
> time again to interfere in the religious affairs
> of the Sikhs? Do you not know how the government
> starting from Nehru to the current BJP has
> nominated their candidates in Gurdwara elections?
>
My objection if a legitimate one. I did not say Khalistanis are controlling the Gurdwaras and failing. But why don't you control the Gurdwaras then? Why don't you prove to us that you can control and manage institutions better than others. ਜੇ ਥੋਡੇ ਤੋਂ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰੇ ਚੰਗੀ ਤਰਾਂ ਚਲਾ ਨੀ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਤਾ ਦੇਸ਼ ਕਿੱਦਾਂ ਚਲਾਉਂਗੇ ? ਅਸੀਂ ਐਵੇਂ ਕਿਵੇ ਮੰਨ ਲਈਏ ਕਿ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਹਵਾ ਚ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦੇ , ਕੀ ਥੋਨੂੰ ਦੇਸ਼ ਚਲਾਉਣ ਬਾਰੇ ਕੁਛ ਪਤਾ ਵੀ ਹੈ
ਤੁਸੀਂ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹੋਂ ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਬਣਾਵਾਂਗੇ ਤੇ ਚਲਾਵਾਂਗੇ . ਅਸੀਂ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ ਕਰ ਲਈਏ ਕੀ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇੱਕ ਦੇਸ਼ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਚਲਾਉਣਾ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹੋਂ ? ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਗੱਲ ਹੋ ਗੀ ਕੀ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕੋਈ ਖਿਡਾਰੀ ਹੋਵੇ ਜੇਹੜਾ ਨਾ ਤਾਂ ਕਦੀ ਪਿੰਡ ਵਿਚ ਖੇਡਿਆ ਹੋਵੇ, ਨਾ ਜ਼ਿਲੇ ਪਧਰ ਤੇ ਜਿਤਿਆ ਹੋਵੇ , ਨਾ ਰਾਜ ਪਧਰ ਤੇ ਜਿਤਿਆ ਹੋਵੇ ਤੇ ਰੱਟ ਲਾਈ ਜਾਵੇ ਕੀ ਮੈਨੂੰ olympics ਵਿਚ ਭੇਜ ਦਿਉ . ਮੈਂ ਮੈਡਲ ਜਿੱਤ ਕੇ ਲਿਆਉਂ . ਕੋਈ ਮਜ਼ਾਕ ਐ ?
> But I will tell you how we Khalistanis propose a
> solution to this. Only strict Amritdharis must be
> the committee members who must be selected on the
> qualification of education and experience. They
> must have religious education and must be well
> versed in Sikh philosophy and history. They must
> have skills to discuss an issue rationally and
> logically. They must hire educated and learned
> Gursikhs as granthis and ragis. In case any issue
> cannot be resolved, it should be presented to the
> entire sangat who would select Panj Pyare as the
> decision makers. Management committee must be
> changed every year provided everyone remains
> faithful and loyal to their duties otherwise
> sangat can suspend them. Before each candidate is
> selected he must show that he has the education
> and experience to do the job and he must tell the
> sangat what his plans are to make improvements in
> the management. These are just few ideas.
>
Again you are being impractical and immature.
> ਸੁਖਬੀਰ ਤੇ ਮਜੀਠੀਆ
> ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨੀ ਆਉਂਦਾ, ਸੈਂਟਰ
> ਗੋਰਮਿੰਟ , ਸੈਂਟਰ
> ਗੌਰਮਿੰਟ ਦੀ ਰੱਟ ਲਾਈ
> ਰਖਦੇ ਨੇ. ਮਜੀਠੀਏ ਨੇ
> ਚਿੱਟਾ ਵੰਡ ਤਾ ਸਾਰੇ ,
> ਪਰ ਇਹ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ
> ਇੰਡਿਯਨ ਗੌਰਮਿੰਟ
> ਕਰਦੀ ਐ.
>
> ਚਲੋ ਮੰਨ ਲੈਦੇ ਆਂ ਕਿ
> ਸੈਂਟਰ ਨੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤਾ
> ਪਰ ਇਹਦੇ ਵਿੱਚ
> ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਕੀ
> ਕਸੂਰ?
ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਕਸੂਰ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਕੀ ਉਹ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਫਿਰਦੇ ਨੇ ਕੀ ਸਮੱਸਿਆ ਸੈਂਟਰ ਦੀ ਹੈ ਜਦਕਿ ਸਮੱਸਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਅਕਾਲੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਹੈ. ਇਹ ਇੱਕ ਗੁਮਰਾਹਕੁਨ ਸੋਚ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਹੈ .
> ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਵਰਗੇ
> ਹਿੰਦੁਸਤਾਨੀਆਂ ਕੋਲ
> ਕੀ ਹੱਲ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਦਾ? ਰਾਜ
> ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ
> ਲੋਕ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਫਿਰ
> ਤੁਸੀਂ ਕਿਉਂ
> ਨਾਕਾਮਯਾਬ ਹੋ?
The solution lies in identification of the problems and then addressing them properly. If the need is of a better economic policy, we need better economists in power. Having 'strict amritdharis' would not solve the problem. You certainly think running a country is a child's play.
>ਇਹ ਤਾਂ
> ਹਿੰਦੁਸਤਾਨੀ ਸਰਕਾਰੀ
> ਟੱਟੂਆਂ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਕਸੂਰ
> ਹੈ। ਕਿਉਂ ਕਿ ਪੰਜਾਬ
> ਦੀ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਤਾਂ ਸੈਂਟਰ
> ਦੀ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਗੈਰ
> ਚੱਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦੀ
Oh come on. Do you know that there are many state government which were political enemies of congress and yet did well? Of course having a opposition in power at the centre creates trouble but to say 'ਪੰਜਾਬ ਦੀ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਤਾਂ ਸੈਂਟਰ ਦੀ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਗੈਰ ਚੱਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦੀ' is nothing more than either an illusion or a deceitful attempt to favour the corrupt Akalis.
> ਲੱਗਦੇ ਸੂਬੇ ਰਾਜਸਥਾਨ
> ਅਤੇ ਗੁਜਰਾਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਸ
> ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਮਸਲਾ
> ਨਹੀਂ? ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ
> ਮਜੀਠੀਆ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਆਉਂਦਾ
> ਪਰ ਉਸਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ
> ਹੁਕਮਰਾਨ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨਹੀਂ
> ਆਉਂਦੇ? ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਦੇ
> ਨਾਲ ਕਰਾਉਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਦਾ
> ਕਸੂਰ ਵੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ।
ਫੇਰ ਐਵੇਂ ਹਵਾ ਵਿਚ ਗੱਲਾਂ ! ਸੁਖਬੀਰ ਤੇ ਮਜੀਠੀਆ ਆਪ ਪੈਸੇ ਤੇ ਸੱਤਾ ਪਿਛੇ ਇਹ ਕੁਝ ਕਰਦੇ ਨੇ . ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸੈਂਟਰ ਤਾ ਰਾਗ ਅਲਾਪੀ ਜਾਓ
> ਸਿੱਖ ਲਹਿਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਇਹ
> ਮਸਲੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਪਰ
> ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨੀਆਂ ਦੇ
> ਅਲੋਪ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ
> ਜੋ ਮਸਲੇ ਹਨ ਇਹ
> ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਚਹੇਤੇ ਰਾਜ
> ਵੱਲੋਂ ਖੜ੍ਹੇ ਕੀਤੇ
> ਗਏ ਹਨ ਤਾਂ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ
> ਦੀ ਨਸਲਕੁਸ਼ੀ ਨਵੇਂ
> ਤਰੀਕੇ ਨਾਲ ਕੀਤੀ ਜਾ
> ਸਕੇ। ਪਰ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ
> ਇਹਨਾਂ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਾਲ
> ਕੀ।
ਸਾਡਾ ਚਹੇਤਾ ਰਾਜ ਕੋਈ ਨੀ . ਬਾਈ ਅਸੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਬਾਦਲ ਨੂੰ ਗਾਲਾਂ ਕਢਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਸਭ ਤੋ ਵੱਡਾ ਕੌਮ ਦਾ ਗੱਦਾਰ ਮੰਨਦੇ ਹਾਂ . ਉਹ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਜਿਸਨੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਦਾ ਬੇੜਾ ਗਰਕ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ . ਤੁਸੀਂ ਅੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਹੋਏ ਹੋਂ ਜੇਹੜੇ ਇਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੇਖਦੇ . ਸੈਂਟਰ ਦਾ ਰੋਣਾ ਬੰਦ ਕਰਕੇ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਘਰੇ ਸਫਾਈ ਕਰੋ
> ਕੀ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ
> ਦੀਆਂ ਵੋਟਾਂ ਨਾਲ
> ਬਾਦਲ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਬਣਦੀ ਆ?
Majority and deciding votes of the constituencies from where Akalis won the last state election were of course sikh votes. Hindu votes go to BJP mostly.
> ਜੇ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇਹ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ
> ਹੋ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਨੇ
> ਇਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੱਦੀ 'ਤੇ
> ਬਿਠਾਇਆ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ
> ਤੁਸੀਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਦਲੀਲ ਦੀ
> ਆਪ ਹੀ ਨਿਖੇਧੀ ਕਰਦੇ
> ਹੋ। ਜਦ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਦੇ
> ਸਿੱਖ ਹੀ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ
> ਦੀ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਚੁਣਦੇ ਹਨ
> ਤਾਂ ਫਿਰ ਇਹ ਕਹਿਣਾ
> ਠੀਕ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਪੰਜਾਬ
> ਵਿੱਚ ਲੋਕ ਚਿੱਟਾ, ਨਸ਼ੇ
> ਤੇ ਪਤਿਤਪੁਣਾ ਹੀ
> ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ।
ਨੌਜਵਾਨ ਵਰਗ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਵੇਹਲਾ ਹੈ , ਜਿਸ ਕੋਲ ਕੋਈ ਕੰਮ ਧੰਧਾ ਨਹੀਂ , ਨੌਕਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ , future ਨਹੀਂ, ਜਿਆਦਾਤਰ ਉਹੀ ਨਸ਼ੇ ਵਿਚ ਫਸਦੇ ਹਨ. ਨਸ਼ਾ ਹੌਲੀ ਹੌਲੀ ਫੈਲਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ .
Again your comments prove that you do not meet visit punjab much. Do you know how vote turns at the village level? There are many factors at individual, village and halka level. Vote is influenced by many things such as jobs offered just before the elections, promises done just before the elections, personal favours done during the tenure, power sharing and distribution. Along with this straight buying off with money and liquor is also prevalent. Over and above these, the age old idea, that ਵੋਟ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਥ ਨੂ ਹੀ ਪਾਉਣੀ ਹੈ ਭਾਵੇਂ ਅਕਾਲੀ ਚੰਗੇ ਹੋਂ ਜਾਂ ਮਾੜੇ also play a main role.
In last lok sabha elections do you know what idea was circulated by Badals to consolidate votes in favour of challenge posed by AAP ? ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਬਾਈ ਜੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਚਾਹੇ ਮਾੜਾ ਅਕਾਲੀ ਲੀਡਰ ਹੀ ਚੀਫ਼ ਮਨਿਸਟਰ ਹੋਣਾ ਚਾਹਿਦਾ ਹੈ , ਕੀਤੇ ਇਹ ਨਾ ਹੋਵੇ ਕਿ ਸ਼ਰਮੇ ਤੇ ਗੁਪਤੇ ਰਾਜ ਕਰਣ . such is the mental level of some people.
>ਜੇ ਇਹ
> ਠੀਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਫਿਰ
> ਕਿਸ ਦਲੀਲ ਨਾਲ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ
> ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋ ਕਿ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਦੇ
> ਲੋਕ ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਨਹੀਂ
> ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ? ਜਿੰਨਾਂ
> ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਠੀਕ ਗਲਤ
> ਦਾ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਤਾ
> ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਚਾਹਤ
> ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਦੇ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ
> ਨਹੀਂ ਵਰਤੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀ ।
And who gave you the right to impose a rule upon people?
> ਪਰ ਫਿਰ ਵੀ
> ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਇਸ
> ਵਿੱਚ ਕੀ ਕਸੂਰ?
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> ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਾਜ ਬਣ ਕੇ ਹੀ
> ਰਹੇਗਾ। ਤੁਸੀਂ
> ਭਾਂਵੇਂ ਜਿੰਨਾਂ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ
> ਜ਼ੋਰ ਲਾ ਲਵੋ।
ਜੋਰ ਅਸੀਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੋਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ , ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਕਾਬਿਲ ਸਾਬਿਤ ਕਰੋ ਕਿ ਥੋਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਰਾਜ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਬਾਰੇ ਪਤਾ ਵੀ ਹੈ . ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਕਰਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਕੰਮ ਕਰੋ , ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਕਰੋ , ਭਗਤੀ ਕਰੋ , ਸੰਸਾਰ ਪਧਰ ਦੀਆਂ ਸੰਸਥਾਵਾਂ ਬਨਾਓ ਤੇ ਚਲਾਓ . ਫੇਰ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿਚ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਰਹੋ . ਓਥੋਂ ਦੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਚ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਰਹੋ , ਓਥੇ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਵਸੋ , ਓਥੇ ਕੰਮ ਕਰੋ. The onus of proving your candidature lies on you. ਐਵੇਂ ਹਵਾ ਚ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਾ ਕਰੋ .
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