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Meeting Vaheguroo

Posted by TSingh 
Meeting Vaheguroo
November 20, 2013 01:21PM
Can somebody reach sachkhand if they have not had physical Darshan of Guru Jee (I.e. One of our 11 Guru Sahibaan)
For example, some Bhagats such as Bhagat Jaidev Jee and Bhagat Fareed Jee lived before Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee came to this Earth.
However I find it hard to believe that Bhagats who's Bani is found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee did not reach Sachkhand.

What is Sangats views on this?
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
November 20, 2013 04:59PM
All of the Bhagats who's Bani is in Guru Granth Sahib jee all met Guru Nanak Dev jee and became Sikhs. Only the Bani that was written by them after this point is included in Gurbani.

There are many posts on this subject in the forum. I will post links once I find them.

Preetam Singh
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
November 21, 2013 04:29PM
If you could provide links to similar posts regarding this topic I would appreciate it.
One question regarding your post though, you said the Bhagats met Guru Nanak Dev Ji and then once they had become Sikhs they wrote their bani.
However I have always thought that some of the Bhagats (Bhagat Fareed Ji is one example) had come to this earth and died before Guru Nanak Dev Jee arrived? Was this not the same Bhagat Fareed Jee then who's bani is found in Guru Granth Sahib then?
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
November 21, 2013 04:36PM
Here is a post from Bhai Kulbir Singh:

Verily, whoever swam across this terrible ocean of Maya, did so through the Gurmukh Naam Roopi Gurmantra bestowed by Satguru jee. Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee declares unequivocally that no one has ever attained Vaheguru without the True Guru:

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਮਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
(No one has attained Vaheguru without Satguru, do analysis in your mind)

The aforementioned Pankiti declares that no one has attained Vaheguru without Satguru. Satguru gives Naam Gurmantra to the true Seeker and through this Naam, he swims across this terrible ocean.

Please have a look at the following Pankitis:

ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਉਧਰੇ ॥ ਧ੍ਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦੁ ਬਿਦਰੁ ਦਾਸੀ ਸੁਤੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਤਰੇ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

O my mind, by chanting Naam, they got delivered. Dhru, Prahlaad, son of servant (Bidar) swam through Gurmukh Naam.

Please notice the force of the “Gurmukh Naam”, above. They did not swim through just any Naam but Gurmukh Naam. Gurmukh Naam is the Gurmat Naam that is received from no one other than Satguru jee. Some people claim that since these Bhagats lived many hundreds or thousands of years before the advent of Pargat Roop of Satguru – Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee – they could not have been delivered by Satguru jee. How naive of them to think that Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee did not exist before He appeared in his open form in 1469. Just because Siri Guru jee had not appeared in open, does not mean that He was non-existent and did not do His work of giving salvation to selected Bhagats.

The next Pankiti of the above Shabad is very interesting:

ਕਲਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾ ਉਧਰੇ ॥
ਨਾਮਾ ਜੈਦੇਉ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਸਭਿ ਦੋਖ ਗਏ ਚਮਰੇ ॥
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਗੇ ਸੇ ਉਧਰੇ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਟਰੇ ॥2॥

(In Kalyug too Naam the supreme Substance, delivered Bhagat Jan. Naamdev, Jaideo, Kabir and Trilochan got delivered and all sins of Chamaar Ravidaas jee were washed away. All those who got into Gurmukh Naam, got delivered and all their sins were washed away.)

Again please notice the force of Gurmukh Naam in the 3rd Pankiti above. In the first two Pankitis Guru Sahib explains that with Naam, Bhagats were saved but in the third Pankiti Guru Sahib, in order to avoid any doubts, clearly says that whoever got engaged in Gurmukh Naam were saved.

Now the question remains, how did Bhagats before Guru Nanak Sahib get saved? The answer is that all we are told is that they were saved and they were saved through Satguru jee. How Satguru jee managed this, is not for us to worry. We just need to believe and have faith that these Bhagats were saved by Satguru jee and no one else.

Giani Gurdit Singh jee has proved beyond doubt that the Bhagat Sahibaan whose Baani appears in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee were contemporaries of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee and they became Sikhs of Guru Sahib. Only their Baani written after they became Sikhs of Guru Sahib, has been included in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

Giani Gurdit Singh jee, as per his own words, had Asheervaad of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. Bhai Sahib in clear words instructed him to dedicate his life to writing on Gurmat. When Giani jee asked how he would manage without working. Bhai Sahib blessed him by saying that he would have no money problem and he did not need to work. Guru Sahib would take care of his needs if he did Sewa of Panth. When we met Giani jee, many years ago, he was sitting in a house worth millions and he had not worked all his life. He had just done sewa of Panth by writing on Gurmat. Guru Sahib is Great. I would say that his best book is his book on Bhagat Baani history.

If Guru Sahib wills, this Daas will write a detailed article on the Bhagat Sahibaan and their Baani, in the coming days.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
July 21, 2014 10:07AM
With forgiveness, all the saints mentioned above did reach Sach khand. They were Gur Sikh, as Satguru (shabd) will lead us to Akal purkh. Atma te Parmatma de mail. After dasam dawar opens & with more bhagti-driv dhrsiti -opens at that time one is able to see the Almighty & if one is extremely blessed will see Gods lotus feet too. The real journey begins & anhad naad becomes louder & louder. Don't know much, so forgive me. To describe Sach khand is beyond my capabilities, but Sach khand's entrance has no door. I think at Karam Khand you reach at Sach khand's door, it's beyond description. Journey continues....................................
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Preetam Singh
I would say that his best book is his book on Bhagat Baani history.


Bhai Sahib Ji,

Can you please shed more light on this book ? What is the name of the book and where we can get copy of it ?

Thank you.
Ravneet Singh
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
July 21, 2014 06:27PM
The book is written by Late Giani Gurdit Singh jee and the name of the book is Itihaas Siri Guru Granth Sahib - Bhagat Baani Bhaag. It's quite a voluminous book and covers in detail all Bhagats of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee, and how they met Guru Sahib. The books is a delicious read.

Kulbir Singh
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Re: Meeting Vaheguroo
July 25, 2014 05:17PM
Once your journey starts, you will surely get darshan of Guru jee sahib/saints/davee/devta.
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