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Posted by Sukhdeep Singh 
Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 04, 2013 12:57PM
Some weeks ago some Canadians brothers were taking delight in bashing Americans. I thought today would be a good day to educate these brothers on American history and philosophy and perhaps they can see Americans and Gursikhs have much in common.

Today the Fourth of July marks the day when Americans received independence from the slavery of the British. On this day I cant help but notice many similarities between the history of Americans and the History of Sikhs. The first people to settle in America were the pilgrims aka “ the puritans”, The puritans were fleeing religious persecution they longed for an autonomous government which was free from the tyrannical and hierarchical Church of England. They came to America so they can freely worship God without the dictates of a political regime. Upon arriving in America they set up religious colonies free of English rule, these colonies became known as the common wealth. The common wealth eventually fell under control of the British which would later lead to the American Revolution. Similarily, the Sikhs of India wanted autonomy from both the Hierarchical Brahmin caste system and tyranny of the ruling Mughals.

The American Revolution was started by an armed militia who would engage in gureilla warfare to overthrow the tyrannical regime of the British. This militia were largely from the farming class. The farmers were tired of working hard night and day just too see their profits in the hands of British aristocrats/feudal lords. Likewise the Khalsa who fought the Mughals largely came from a farming class they too were tired of seeing their hard work fall in the hands of Brahmin land lords . Also, both Sikhs and early Americans knew that independence does not come from passive resistance.

When the founders of the United States framed the constitution they made sure to include an important amendment ” The right to bear arms”. They knew if the citizens did not have the right to bear arms then any foregin militia could subjugate the country to a state of slavery. In 1699, Sri Guru Ji also afforded a similar right when he gave us [Sikhs] the Hukum [commandment] to bear [a] kirpan. Without this Hukum or shall I say right we too can become victims of tyranny and oppression of foreign rule.

When declaring independence from the British, the Americans formed a declaration stating:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The original stating was"
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property.

The right to private property allowed people to live freely. The original founders knew that without having the right to ones own property a person will always be subjugated and forced to work under cruel condtions of a feudal lord.The Persian word Khalsa means pure and it also means land holder. When Sri Guru Ji sent Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadur (Baba Gurbaksh Singh) to Punjab to destroy the tyrants he also made sure Baba Ji would destory the feudal system. After destroying the feudal system the farmers/serfs were no longer working for the Bahman Feudal Lords; instead he [the farmer] took over ownership of the land and created a common wealth of Sikh principalities.

Our very nature longs for peace and happiness. Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji states how nobody wants pain instead we all make attempts to be happy.
ਜਤਨ ਬਹੁਤ ਸੁਖ ਕੇ ਕੀਏ ਦੁਖ ਕੋ ਕੀਓ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

The founders of this country knew that man wants to be happy and they knew private property lead one closer to this goal of happiness. But private property alone does lead to happiness. Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji says if one really wants to be happy then happiness alone comes from Naam Jaap. Those of us who are blessed to live in America we are fortunate to live in a land where there is political, social and economical freedom and we can worship freely. American has lots of wealth and many people including Gursikhs use this opportunity to chase wealth. Wealth does not lead to happiness. Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji states
ਏਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਜਿਹ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਕੈ ਨਾਹਿ ਮਨਿ ॥ ਜੈਸੇ ਸੂਕਰ ਸੁਆਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਾਨੋ ਤਾਹਿ ਤਨੁ
Those who do think about God in their mind their bodies are like a dog and a pig- Waaheguru!

On this American holiday may we use this opportunity to earn the wealth of Naam.
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 04, 2013 01:35PM
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Some weeks ago some Canadians brothers were taking delight in bashing Americans. I thought today would be a good day to educate these brothers on American history and philosophy and perhaps they can see Americans and Gursikhs have much in common.

Canadian brothers were not bashing America but stating the obvious truth. There is no doubt that the American founding fathers laid down some really good principles. People around the world appreciate that but I don't understand where did the founding fathers of America preach the meddling in other countries' affairs.

The Americans fought against the British imperialism but over the years, it adopted some of this evil imperialism that they fought against.

In any case, today is America's birthday. We wish it Happy Birthday! America is a great nation and we hope that it remains a religious country as opposed to Europe that is increasingly moving away from spirituality.

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In 1699, Sri Guru Ji also afforded a similar right when he gave us [Sikhs] the Hukum [commandment] to bear [a] kirpan. Without this Hukum or shall I say right we too can become victims of tyranny and oppression of foreign rule.

Much before this, Siri Guru Hargobind Sahib jee had made Sikhs a martial quom. Siri Guru Dasmesh jee consolidated this position further more.

Kulbir Singh
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The Fourth of July is great because It's Kaka jee's birthday today :-)


Jatinderpal Singh
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 11:57AM
I don't think Canada Day or American Independence Day are days that really should make us proud.

As Americans and Canadians we can love and respect our countries, but we live on soil watered by the blood of countless Aboriginal people.

Why do Sikhs not celebrate Indian & Pakistan independence day?

Because they remind us of the more than 500,000 people killed in the 1947 partition and the more than 100,000 Sikhs killed by Indian police & army since 1978.

Similarly, Canada and America's founding "fathers" killed millions (not exaggerating) of First Nations (aboriginal / Native Indian) people by way of wars, genocide, and exposure to diseases like smallpox and alcoholism.
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 12:49PM
Was it about 250 millions native population that was eradicated. Physical genocide followed by cultural genocide.
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 07:34PM
Kulpreet Singh Jee,

Actually it was the French , Spanish and British who first came to North America who killed the Native Americans. The Canadians and Americans wanted freedom from these countries. Secondly, nobody is saying one should be a proud nationalist. I only pointed the similarities between Gursikhs and Americans of course there are thousands of differences, but I like to focus on the similarities. Im sure there are many positive qualities between Canadians and Gursikhs as well. We should look at the positives in the countries we live in instead of sobbing and dwelling of past bad deeds.
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 07:58PM
First of all, there should never be a comparison between the founders of American and Guru Sahibaan but since this post has been posted, one difference that stands out between our Guru Sahibaan and the founders of America is that our Guru Sahibaan were the ones who gave freedom from the cycle of life and death to countless people whereas the Americans at that time were greatest promoters of slavery in history. Can you imagine that they used to buy and sell real people in America? On the other hand, Canada was known to have no slavery sanctioned by the state and the slaves who made it to Canada used to be free.

Kulbir Singh
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 08:11PM
Kulbir Singh Wrote:
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> First of all, there should never be a comparison
> between the founders of American and Guru Sahibaan
> but since this post has been posted, one
> difference that stands out between our Guru
> Sahibaan and the founders of America is that our
> Guru Sahibaan were the ones who gave freedom from
> the cycle of life and death to countless people
> whereas the Americans at that time were greatest
> promoters of slavery in history. Can you imagine
> that they used to buy and sell real people in
> America? On the other hand, Canada was known to
> have no slavery sanctioned by the state and the
> slaves who made it to Canada used to be free.

As previously mentioned this post was to highlight the similarities not the differences. Nobody can Sri Guru Ji with man. I was comparing history and Gurmat principles.

Also, slavery came from the British not the Americans. During the American Revolution the founders wanted to include a clause banning slavery, but those uneducated Americans living in the south wanted to keep slavery. They said if slavery was banned then they would stay loyal to the British.

Canada is not so free as people make them out to be. Who can forget Komogatu Maru? The first Canadian Sikhs were highly discriminated against while in America they were more accepted and it was here where the Gaddar movement was founded.
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> Kulbir Singh
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 09:21PM
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Canada is not so free as people make them out to be. Who can forget Komogatu Maru? The first Canadian Sikhs were highly discriminated against while in America they were more accepted and it was here where the Gaddar movement was founded.

This point is well taken. You are correct sir. Canada being part of the British Raj, discriminated against the Sikhs during the Kamagata Maru saga.

But, you must accept that slavery is a huge black stain (Badnuma Daagh) on the Americans. Up until late 1800s, slavery was legal and until mid nineties, African-Americans were treated as second class citizens.

There are no similarities between the American founding fathers and our Guru Sahibaan. Many of the founding fathers were not religious and some even accuse them of being atheists. How can there be any similarity between the two. The principle of right to bear arms too is not similar between the Americans and the Sikhs. The Sikhs wear arms for spiritual reasons and for self-protection.

Kulbir Singh
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 05, 2013 09:53PM
Kulbir SIngh Jeeo, you are right the sin of slavery has put a big burden on America and Canada is lucky to not bear this major paap, but still both countries are not perfect and many have flaws. I have only written this article to highlight the positive qualities of America and Americans. Im sure Canada too has some qualities as well.

America is a religious nation it was founded on religious principles. I would never compare the founding fathers to Guru Sahiban, but in regards to History and principles we share many similarities, and yes we share many differences. For example, founding fathers had the insight to know without arms man becomes a slave. Likewise Sri Guru Ji has said without arms man is like a sheep who cant get dragged in numerous places. Thus we both share the principle of bearing arms. No way would I care someone like Benjamin Franklin to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Again this is not comparing the character of the founding fathers with Guru Sahiban. Simply put im sharing the same principles and history. Yes , Americans bore the sword too defend their own kind while Khalsa bore the sword to defend all including Hindus and Muslims, but I only wrote to share the similarities.
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Re: Fourth of July smiling smiley
July 06, 2013 10:17AM
Spare me the horror!
His goverment is very much responsible 113 000-123 000 Iraqi deaths. Yet he finds a "reason to educate others" on 4th July without a conscience ridden by guilt .

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Sukhdeep Singh
America is a religious nation it was founded on religious principles.
"In God we trust" is the biggest joke printed on the American currency .
And the comparison of Guru sahib with the Umreecan founding fathers. ------Admin Cut - Please avoid getting personal------
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