Kaam and its hold on US

i was at a mela once for guru sahib knows what reason and the guys around me were talking about pornography as well as hentai. this are both very lust filled stuff. and my main question is how do we stay away from this even when we are under hukam of guru sahib to stay in this type of world. and if an amritdhari singh watches this and knows it is wrong but trys again and again to stop but gets the urge to watch again after a period of time. it would normally happen on days where he misses amrit vela or dose not do sehaj path. and he really really wants to stop. what should he do. is he doing a bujar kureith? this is asked cause someone asked me this and i had no answer and thought to ask you cyber sangat. hopefully some of you guys can help the poor chap out.

another question that i am asking for my own behalf is how do we control the mind from wandering like lets say we are on facebook and an ad comes up or while we are at a bus stand and we see an ad that is immoral how do we stop.

I guess that is the problems we youth are facing and i hope more mature adults can help!

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Ranjodh Singh
my main question is how do we stay away from this even when we are under hukam of guru sahib to stay in this type of world

Stone will remain wet till the time it is in water. Once the stone is out of water it will become dry after sometime. Same goes with Vikaars. Till the time one is submerged in Gurbani till then all is OK. Once you are away the avastha fades away and vikaars fade in.

I mean if somebody has a Nitnem consisting of Asa-Di-Vaar, Sukhmani Sahib, Dakhni Onkaar, Bavan Akhri, Sidh Gosht and Dukh Bhanjani then where does one gets time to attend Mela ?

Just look at some activities of Sarblohi Singh - Daily cutting vegetables, preparing food, eating and washing Sarbloh utensils in all these activities 4 hours per day is gone. Then you have this washing+drying activity (by hand, no machines) of 'n' number of 14 meter dumallas and other clothes over the weekend. Where does one gets time to attend Mela ?

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Ranjodh Singh
another question that i am asking for my own behalf is how do we control the mind from wandering like lets say we are on facebook and an ad comes up or while we are at a bus stand and we see an ad that is immoral how do we stop.

Suspend facebook ! I do not have a FB account but still I survive in this world. I still have a social circle. I was still living even before that site came up and I continue to live without it. Many of my friends do not have FB account, what's the big deal, are we become less social ?

World has gone crazy and they have this urge to document every nanosecond of their life. Enlightened do not write their biography - Ya, that is one fancy statement I use for myself ! Start using this for yourself too and you will feel the difference.

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Bhaji Every time your eyes go towards that stuff or you mind, just try to remember Guru maharaj is watching and trust me straightaway the eyes and mann will come under control and if you can say waheguru loud enough so your ear can hear it too or really loud if you circumstances allow, that will help it control.

Slowly over a few days it will become a habit to ignore that stuff with the help of Mahraj and gurumantar.

Bhul Chuk Muaff

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World has gone crazy and they have this urge to document every nanosecond of their life.

Thats so true. A Veerji was once made fun of Twitter and how people update every minute, he goes : lokkee taan maadi maadi gall paa dinde othe jaake, ah dekho mai nakk sunkk ke aaya, eh vi paa deni...

Jaakirat veerji at that point of time i was a mere 17 year old. I still do not have all those baanian in nitnem. Neither do i document my life on facebook. Infact i find those who do so irritating. I use it to keep in touch with old school mates

As per what you were saying does that mean that the day that we do sehaj path or listen to sehaj path and try to do amrit wela vikaars will try to come but it will be very difficult or nigh impossible for them? And the day that we don't, that day we r like dry stones??

Like the more path we do per day the easier it gets to stay away from these stuff and get detached from them? I am sorry for all these questions for i promised the guy answers but am still young and unwise. And not many rehitwan singhs in the area that can be approached. Please answer these questions too veerji and do kirpa on daas so i can use the method that guy needs for his kaam problem on the punj choor still in daas

---Panj choor are really annoying and they just are annoying and no matter what they get in your face all the time
think of them like your enemies.. think you are in a jang(battlefield)
You are alone
and the only weapon you have to fight it is guru sahib's naam and gurbaani..
Use your weapons wisely
or else...
you will be attacked over and over and over again...

The more time we think about guru sahib through path the less time we will spend thinking about stupid things such as kaam
The more time we use our weapons of naam and gurbaani the more successful we shall be at fighting the panj choors....Or else..
They will keep on attacking you.....
and rehit is important as well
Gursikhs can elaborate on the rehit part.i don't really know much of anything..
Well this is how I think of the panj choors in my imagination..

Ranjodh Singh,
avoid pepper, read about Sant Harnam Singh, meditate on Sri Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Jio when such thoughts bother u, imagine your forehead on Great Gurujio's feet until thought/ urge to view...goes away.
follow code of sarbloh amritdhari code in this website, and www.akjfaq.com.
get rid of all access to media that mislead you...especially avoid jhoot food, even vending machine, Gurdwara langar prepared by those who do not obey Hukam of eating only from rehitvaan amritdhari.
if there is rehitvaan Gursikhs Gurdwara where u live, go for early morning group Naam, Sri Asa Di Vaar...then if u have no time still, do Sri Sukhmani Path, or Gurdwara sewa daily, if possible.
avoid friends, etc who give u bad influence.

>>>avoid pepper,<<<<

these words remind me of a hindu brahmin friend i have at skool. he likes pomp about everything, and is often seen to say things like " us brahmins are very holy and precious people. we're so calm and unique. because of these reasons we don't eat onions and garlic, because eating them will inflict anger in our hearts, and brahmins are not meant to be angry". usually i keep quiet and don't say anything, while although i have seen him in aggression numerous times. seriously, its not that pepper, garlic, ginger or onion is bad, it's our mentality that needs to be straightened up. don't blame food for it, it's lifeless the minute it is pulled from the ground, its our mentality.

Very logical advise sevak123 jio, but Sant Harnam Singh who was visited by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jio, as well as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jio many times, must have Sach reasons for avoiding pepper, and also Gurbani reminds about how there is life in every food, clay, corn etc..that cries out in pain when subjected to fire jio...
bhul chuk muaf Waheguru

Also sevak123,
I now recall a Muslim female neighbor, being possessed years ago in Singapore. Her parents called a Muslim priest, and my neighbor who possessed asked for pepper, then when priest offered them, she stuffed a handful of green peppers in her mouth, began chewing, and laughed eerily...

ks
what you're talking about is a mockery Siri Guru Nanak dev ji does in Gurbani.

ਮਃ ੧ ||
ਮਿਟੀ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਕੀ ਪੇੜੈ ਪਈ ਕੁਮਿ੍ਹਆਰ ||
ਘੜਿ ਭਾਂਡੇ ਇਟਾ ਕੀਆ ਜਲਦੀ ਕਰੇ ਪੁਕਾਰ ||
ਜਲਿ ਜਲਿ ਰੋਵੈ ਬਪੁੜੀ ਝੜਿ ਝੜਿ ਪਵਹਿ ਅੰਗਿਆਰ ||
ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰਤੈ ਕਾਰਣੁ ਕੀਆ ਸੋ ਜਾਣੈ
ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ||੨||

basically what this means is that the Muslim believes that one day there will be a resurrection day, hence this is why they bury the dead. but those dead bodies dissolve in soil, then that same is used by the potmaker to make clay. so then the soil must cry out in pain when it is being moulded into clay. but it's dead. basically, the whole resurrection theory is being ridiculed. it has nothing to do eating or not eating ginger, onion pepper salt etc. all these products have been given by Waheguru for humans to eat. U don't go to hell by eating them.
Guru Raamdaas Sahib ji says "Kaam krodh nagar boh bhareya, mil saadhu khandal khanda hay". the whole world is inflicted with this ****, so of course this tuk also talks about those who don't eat pepper because guru sahib talks the whole universe.

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and as for baba harnam singh, that was most likely his personal choice, its got nothing to do with Sikhi. Guru sahib gives darshan to those he wishes, but that doesn't whoever has darshan takes the position of Satguru. No, they remain human. please don't go into this whole "so and so sant said that so that is Sikhi" you have to think logical not be delusional

Sevak123,
I respect your views but even more I respect ways of Sikh Saints...and even avoiding pepper, has made a difference to me, I share it...each of us view Gurbani's message as we choose...
bhul chuk muaf Waheguru

sevak123 Wrote:
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> >>>avoid pepper,<<<<
>
> these words remind me of a hindu brahmin friend i
> have at skool. he likes pomp about everything, and
> is often seen to say things like " us brahmins are
> very holy and precious people. we're so calm and
> unique. because of these reasons we don't eat
> onions and garlic, because eating them will
> inflict anger in our hearts, and brahmins are not
> meant to be angry". usually i keep quiet and don't
> say anything, while although i have seen him in
> aggression numerous times. seriously, its not that
> pepper, garlic, ginger or onion is bad, it's our
> mentality that needs to be straightened up. don't
> blame food for it, it's lifeless the minute it is
> pulled from the ground, its our mentality.

Really veerji? If food is lifeless 'the minute it is pulled from the ground' why such a hue and cry about rehat and not eating from the hands of a non-bibeki and all that Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh ji has written about?? You just dismissed the whole bibek rehat with your statement.

Of course food has its effect on the mind. The purer the mind the more sensitized it becomes towards food effects. An extremely pure mind is immediately affected by negative foods. The food having hot effects do not have much of an effect on lay people because the minds are used to the negative influences day in and day out. The mind is something which permeates the cellular level in the body and in certain states it cannot bear to have a bad food enter in the body.

Sevak123,
I very just in elementary school age when I had misfortune of observing possessed neighbor show sinister effect of peppers when she put a big handful in her mouth, began chewing, and laughed instead of burning in mouth like a normal person would...
a point to note Ranjodh Singh, kalyug world is so loaded with immorality...that keertan links even not spared such photos...

sevak123 Wrote:
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> ks
>
> ...nothing to do eating or not eating ginger, onion
> pepper salt etc. all these products have been
> given by Waheguru for humans to eat. U don't go to
> hell by eating them.

Sevak veerji this was never the point. Nobody believes that eating onions and garlic would send us to hell. You are mistaken in understanding why these things are sometimes not eaten by spiritual people.

According to Indian spiritual thought it is often said: ਜੈਸਾ ਅੰਨ ਤੈਸਾ ਮਨ This means that whatever food we eat affects our body as well as our consciousness. This is so because as long as we are in the human body our consciousness is rooted in our bodies.

As a plain everyday example heavy foods induce indigestion, laziness and this is a common experience.

Ayurvedic science of health foods are categorised into three categories:

Satvic foods: These are light and easy to digest and they help mind stay in peace and clarity and helps consciousness elevate higher from the body.

Rajasic foods: These foods are hot and spicy and they ignite passion in the body, stimulate the nervous system and excite the mind.

Tamasic foods: These are heavy, dull and depressing. They induce sleep and laziness. All meats are tamasic by nature.

Further each body and mind combination can be categorised into Vata, Pitta and Kapha categories. Now depending on the nature of the mind/body, adaptation of the mind/body to its environment each food has its effect on the mind/body.
So a person who is vata prakriti by nature (they usually have a higher sensitivity to foods) shall react more noticeably to tamasic foods than a person who is kapha by nature to begin with.

A person who engages in a lot of Jap/Tap needs a strong and unwavering attention on Waheguru. He does not wish to be distracted by sleep, indigestion, gas and constipation, or excitation of the mind. It would help such a person if he eats Satvic foods which do not bring in such obstacles into the consciousness through their effects on the body.

Adaptation also has its role in all this. A mind/body who is brought up in a culture which routinely consumes meat would not be troubled by a little tamasic diet. This is because mind/body is used to digesting that food easily. The effects of a particular tamasic/rajasic food may or may not reach the consciousness as much as to disturb it.

The bibeki rehat falls in consonance with these principles. Bibekis do not fill their bellies with too much or too heavy foods. It is not that they do not eat rajasic food. But they do not eat it enough to gather a negative effect.

Its all depends from person to person. If kaam is troubling you no doubt you need help from all quarters. You do not want to deviate from your path just because you did not know that you were consuming foods which were not helping you in the first place.

In certain cases person who have a physically weak constitution may in fact sometimes need onions or garlic foods in order to produce heat in the body.

ks Wrote:
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> Sevak123,
> I respect your views but even more I respect ways
> of Sikh Saints...and even avoiding pepper, has
> made a difference to me, I share it...each of us
> view Gurbani's message as we choose...
> bhul chuk muaf Waheguru


while it is a scientific fact that avoiding certain foods affects the body and mind, but eating them does not make someone a bad sikh. for example, many of us don't eat meat or eggs and also do not drink, however the health effects of these products can only be experienced by those who consume them. so by not eating pepper, of course one avoids the effects it has. but that does not you become a kaami by putting pepper in food. maybe sant harnaam singh simply did not like pepper, and that's fine as that was his personal choice. but you don't become an apostate to sikhi by putting pepper in food.
baba harnam singh also believed in a certain composition that many jatha gursikhs disregard it as "not-gurbani". so what are your views on that??

dear veer eyesacademic ji,

no where did i mention anything about bibek rehit. you just simply jumped to conclusions, and wrote a whole on that, which is fine and informative. but what i meant was that raw vegetables in themselves aren't bad. who uses them to prepare food and how food prepared is, that is where we need at. i was not at all condemning bibek rehit. but that's ok, your article is informative and respectable.
we shouldn't become like jainis, while we still respect their religious views, at the same time we shouldn't follow their footsteps.

Sevak Veerji,

Some clarification:

- You are right. You did not talk about bibeki rehat. I brought that in just to serve as an example that in spiritual life it is very important that one chooses what on eats and not all foods are equal.

-I must make clear here that bibek rehat is more about purification of the food at the spiritual level than choices at material level BUT it certainly is clear that food is made an important part of spiritual living and that 'not everything goes'.

- Veer ji I do not know much about Jainism, I did not allude to them in my post. If it looked like it I am sorry.

- You are right that just by eating peppers one does not become a kaami or a bad Sikh. Not at all. The effects of different foods handled by mind/body complex may vary from person to person. Some people can consume alcohol and yet digest it very well and remain very functional the next day and some cannot even get up. Rajasic, tamasic and satvic foods have their effect and it is on the person to investigate on whether he (mind/body complex) is being negatively affected.

-Its not just Baba Harnaam Singh ji. Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib Wale, in the lineage of Baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardaan also did not partake spices (not even salt). It may not be healthy to blindly copy their example in our personal life. I am citing this just as an example that a person whose consciousness (Surat) is refined intuitively comes to know food and its affect on our bodies and they DO make some choices. But its not that if Sant Attar Singh ji did not eat spice at all then we need to follow their example. No that would not be correct. This is about food and how it affects our body and mind. It is not a Paap/Punn injunction.

It is my personal belief that none of the spiritual stalwarts Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh, Baba Attar Singh ji Mastuana, Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib, Baba Harnam Singh ji and many others all took great care of their diet and that they must have eaten predominantly Satvic diet.

In fact let me give my own personal example. My digestive system is very sensitive and all my mucous linings are easily inflamed. When an 'attack' of rhinitis, pharyngitis etc occurs I find hot, spicy, pepper and garlic soup as being very helpful. It produces heat, soothes the linings. And this by a rajasic food! So yes even Rajasic food might help at times!

So yes its upto a person to investigate. As they say 'One mans meat(food) is another man's poison'.

Just as a side inquiry, which composition is this?

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baba harnam singh also believed in a certain composition that many jatha gursikhs disregard it as "not-gurbani". so what are your views on that??

ਖਸ਼ਟ ਰਾਗ ਕਿਨ ਗਾਏ

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> ਖਸ਼ਟ ਰਾਗ ਕਿਨ ਗਾਏ


Oh okay. Thank you for letting me know veerji.

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baba harnam singh also believed in a certain composition that many jatha gursikhs disregard it as "not-gurbani". so what are your views on that?

Sevak123 please stop spreading your propaganda as though Jatha Singhs are the only ones that don't believe in Raag Mala. Kavi Santokh was not the first to accept it and then popular scholars such as Bhai Kahn SIngh rejected it. Giani Sobha Singh was the first to bring the issue up to the panth, and all the learned scholars at that time rejected it at formal meeting on Diwali. They all agreed it was not bani and originally the maryada was to only do bhog at Mundavani but then changed because of Bhai Vir Singh Jis sudden change. Bhai Vir Singh Ji caused commotion when he later changed his mind and accepted it and many others followed. So now there became a split on the issue. So its not true that Jatha Singhs are the only ones who rejected it.

Sevak123 must love peppers

ks Wrote:
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> Sevak123 must love peppers


Nope, i was just trying to make sense of things. Your statements really made no sense, and were solely based on superstitions and lies. It's such propaganda that leads people into believing false theories and concepts.

Waheguru,
your words r very spiteful, u have been eating too much peppers...calm down..u do not have to believe anything I posted ji..
this is a Gurmukh website, if I lie, jamdhut awaits me in hereafter jio!
bhul chuk muaf Waheguru

Brothers, cool it. This is not important enough for a quarrel. :-)

Sevak123 im sorry but KS's post was funny!

Anyway, this is very interesting. I didn’t realise different foods effect your spirituality. My mother in law keeps ‘Sucham’ to quite a high degree and would much rather starve than eat food that has been prepared without ‘sucham’ and without someone having covered their head to prepare and serve it. The family obviously follows suit as its hygienic and generally good practice for anyone preparing to take Amrit.

I would love to educate her further on this topic to help her increase her level of spirituality. She suffers severely from fatigue. This upsets her as it means she cannot read Gurbani as much as she would like to. She has been to the doctors numerous times, does an immense amount of paat (not for her health but out of love), takes more Berocca and vitamin tablets than a supermarket can stock but nothing seems to cure her. Maybe this is the answer...or at least of some help.

Eyesacademic can you kindly elaborate on the different foods which constitute the different categories you mentioned or provide a link which does?

Can anybody provide a list of foods which we shouldn’t eat and the negative impact it has on our health please?

I can start you off

1) ...Pepper 

Ps KS when you say pepper, do you mean the green, red and yellow peppers found on Pizza or Black and white pepper used to spice food? Also can you explain what the negative impact of it is please?