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GURMAT CONCEPT of Brahm, Brahma, Pooran-Brahm and Paar-Brahm

Posted by khalsagurjeet 
Gurbani mentions four avasthas of Jeev
Brahm, Brahma, Pooran-Brahm and Paar-Brahm

This might be a very new concept to the readers,
but as far my understanding their are a lot of Vicharvaan Gurmukhs on this site


Gurbani Reminds to the Jeev
WHAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HUMAN LIFE
Answer
ਯਾ ਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਏਕਹਿ ਕਉ ਆਇਆ ॥
ਗਉੜੀ ਬ.ਅ. (ਮਃ ੫) Panna 251

ਅਸੀ ਇੱਕ ਹੋਣ ਆਏ ਹਾਂ,

ਤੇ ੧+੧ ਕਰੀਏ ਤਾਂ ੨ ਬਣਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਅਸੀ ਇੱਕ ਤਾਂ ਜਰੂਰ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੈ ਪਰ ੧/੨ + ੧/੨ =੧ ਦੇ ਤਰੀਕੇ ਨਾਲ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੈ ।


ਅਰਧ ਉਰਧ ਕੀ ਸੰਧਿ ਕਿਉ ਜਾਨੈ ॥
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਧਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥੭॥


Who has to do the EKA
ਅਰਧ = Brahm = 1/2
ਉਰਧ = Brahma = 1/2
(They are both Chetan)

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਧਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ
Brahm + Brahma = ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ (Pooran Brahm)
It has been mentioned in Bhat Bani
ਪਰਤਛਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਲੀਅਉ ॥੫॥ Panna 1409
Hence all the Sat-Gurs and Bhagats of Gurbani are ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ (Pooran Brahm)

Also Gurbani gives us the Gian to become ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ (Pooran Brahm)

ਸਾਰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
ਪੋਥੀ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਕਾ ਥਾਨੁ ॥
ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਗੁਣ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The Gian of Gurbani will make us Jeevs as ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ
ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ has been refered in Gurbani as
ਗੁਰੁ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ, ਰਾਮੁ, ਪ੍ਰਭੁ, ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ, ਬੀਠਲੁ (With Aunkar) and in feminity as ਹਰਿ

The ultimate stage of Pooran-Brahm is PAR-BRAHM
ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਛਾਣਾ ॥੪॥੨੭॥੯੭॥ Panna 52

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ is also reffered as ਗੁਰੂ, ਪ੍ਰਭੂ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ (With Dulaikars)

But Unluckily all the TIKAS are written by basically those (Right from Garab Ganjani and then Tara Singh Narotam and Faridkot Wala) who only understood Hindu Philosphy and we have missed the real concept of Gurmat or Gurbani

There is no word like ਪ੍ਰਭੁ (With Aunkar) in HINDUISM related Scriptures they only have ਪ੍ਰਭੂ (With Dulaikars),
We have missed a very important instruction of Gurbani
ਏਨਾ ਅਖਰਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੋ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੂਝੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਲੇਖੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੨॥ Panna 432

That is why in SUKHMANI SAHIB it is Written
ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ॥ Panna 263
In Hinduism related Granths this Pankatee would have been written as
ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਾ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ॥

As per Gurmat why the Simran of Prabh (Not, PRABHOO, WAH-GUROO) is so important
Also in the concluding Shalok of Mahula 9 it is mentioned
ਰਾਮਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਮੈ ਗਹਿਓ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਸਮ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
Why is Raam Naam so important as there is nothing equal to it.
The Only answer as per my understang is that JEEV need to become ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ before he becomes ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ

THAT IS WHERE GURMAT IS "NIRALI"

ਪ੍ਰਭ :is Actually POORAN BRAHM
ਪ੍ਰਭ : Prabh is not ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ which is PARBRAHM as defined before

We need very deep research into this TOPIC from within GURBANI itself

Bhul Chuk Muaf

Gurjeet Singh
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Gurjeet SIngh Veerji,

Before I say my point I ask for forgiveness for any negative feeling I might generate. Please forgive me.

There is no difference between ਬ੍ਰਹਮ , ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ, ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ There is no Gurbani pankti which shows this is so. Just as Gobind, Madho, Ram and other names have been used for the same entity, which is the Creator of all existence including this universe and other realms, same way these names (or 'adjectives' some might say) have been used.

ਇਹ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਅੱਡ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਅੱਡ ਹੈ , ਇਹ ਨਿਰਾ ਭੁਲੇਖਾ ਹੈ ਜੀ, ਹੋਰ ਕੁਛ ਨਹੀ

There is no gurbani pankti to support a difference in these names. If there is some pankti in which these terms have been juxtapositioned (positioned close together for comparison or opposition) then please share it with us. Further Bhai Gurdass ji has said:

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪੂਰਣ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਅੰਦਰ ਇਕ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ (Vaar 1, pauri 23)

This I think is a clear proof that there is no difference between paarbrahm and puranbrahm.
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khalsagurjeet Wrote:
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> As per Gurmat why the Simran of Prabh (Not,
> PRABHOO, WAH-GUROO) is so important


WHAT????


> Also in the concluding Shalok of Mahula 9 it is
> mentioned
> ਰਾਮਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਮੈ ਗਹਿਓ
> ਜਾ ਕੈ ਸਮ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
> Why is Raam Naam so important as there is nothing
> equal to it.
> The Only answer as per my understang is that JEEV
> need to become ਪੂਰਨਬ੍ਰਹਮ before
> he becomes ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ
>
> THAT IS WHERE GURMAT IS "NIRALI"
>
> ਪ੍ਰਭ :is Actually POORAN BRAHM
> ਪ੍ਰਭ : Prabh is not
> ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ which is PARBRAHM as
> defined before
>

Gurjeet ji what is this? Wherefrom did you get the idea that Prabh is different from Waheguru?? And you are saying Simran of Prabh is what is ordered and NOT Waheguru? Seriously?? Can you prove it?
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clear as mud
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Gurjeet Singh jee,

Is there by any chance that you are friends with Parkash Singh Bagga?

Preetam Singh
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Bhai Pritam Singh Jee

I have never heard about Bhai Parkash Singh Bagga

It will be good if you intoduce him

Regards

Gurjeet
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Dear Bhai Sahib Jee O

I am amazed at your Judgement

Any way to m ove forward
Please Answer this simple Question

How many times the following words are used in Gurbani

ਗੁਰੂਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ (Dulankar on Rara)
ਗੁਰੂਬਾਣੀ (Dulankar on Rara)


ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ (As a Mangal) (Dulankar on Rara)
Can you please Quote these Panktees
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Can you please find how many times we could see following words in Gurbani

ਗੁਰੂਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ
ਗੁਰੂਬਾਣੀ
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ



Please tell me the panktees or Shabads
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Dear Veer Jee O

If we believe in Panktee Quoted by you
ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪੂਰਣ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਅੰਦਰ ਇਕ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ (Vaar 1, pauri 23)

What will we do with the panktee from Gurbani
ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਬਣੀਐ ॥ Panna 304

Gurbani is Revealed through Satgur ONLY
Is the writer of Above Panktee a Satgur


I also know another Panktee. Have you anytime tried this method instead

ਠਾਕੁਰ ਨੋ ਨ੍ਹਾਵਾਲਿ ਕੈ ਛਾਹਿ ਰੋਟੀ ਲੈ ਭੋਗੁ ਚੜ੍ਹਾਵੈ॥
ਹਥਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਮਿਨਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਵੈ॥
ਹਉ ਬੀ ਮੁਹੁ ਨ ਜੁਠਾਲਸਾਂ ਤੂ ਰੁਠਾ ਮੈ ਕਿਹੁ ਨ ਸੁਖਾਵੈ॥
ਗੋਸਾਈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਹੋਇ ਰੋਟੀ ਖਾਹਿ ਛਾਹਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਲਾਵੈ॥


This seems to be against this Panktee of Gurbani on Panna 309
ਵਿਣੁ ਕਾਇਆ ਜਿ ਹੋਰ ਥੈ ਧਨੁ ਖੋਜਦੇ ਸੇ ਮੂੜ ਬੇਤਾਲੇ ॥
Those who search for this spirtual treasure outside of the body, in other places, are foolish demons.

Sorry to say you are at present in the most common category of Sikhs indicated as below
ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ ॥
Not by studying, but through through understanding, is the Lord's Mystery revealed.

I will keep on trying and Hopefully you will understand this Mystry one Day

Bhul Chuk Muaf
Gurjeet
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Asi Gurbani Nu Padh Rahe Haan,
Par, Gurbani To Nahi Padh Rahe,

Asi Guru Nu Mann Rahe Haan,
Par, Guru Di Nahi Mann Rahe.

ਕਰਿ ਦਇਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ !

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
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Excellent thoughts by Jaskirat Singh Jee

Need to change our Methods

Need to help each other

We will all be there

Gurjeet
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