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Dharam over daya?

Posted by Hari Singh 
Dharam over daya?
April 03, 2010 07:34AM
Daya came first. Dharam came second. Why?

Without daya, can there be dharam?

Can dharam be dharam without daya?

Today, we all have dharam but how many of us have daya?

What use is dharam without daya?

Thoughts and vichaar please.

H.S
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 03, 2010 04:12PM
Daya or Compassion holds a very important place in Gurmat Dharma; so much so that it is considered to be a prelude to Dharma. For centuries some people held the belief that this Earth is held by a Bull on his horns but Siri Guru jee in Siri Jap jee Sahib made it clear that the Bull that is holding the Earth is Dharma:

ਧੌਲੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਾ ਪੂਤੁ ॥ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਥਾਪਿ ਰਖਿਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਸੂਤਿ ॥

Guru Sahib is making it clear in the above Gurvaak that the Bull holding the Earth is Dharma and this Dharma in return is a product of Daya or compassion. Where there is no Daya, there can be no Dharma and where there is Dharma, there ought to be Daya. Where both Daya and Dharma are present, Santokh (Contentedness) too comes to reside. In other words a Dharmi person is always compassionate and contented.

ਸਤੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਏਹ ਕਰਣੀ ਸਾਰ ॥ ਆਪੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ਰੇਣਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਦੇਇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥3॥

One should adopt high moral character, contentedness and compassion; this is the essence of good doings. One should give up ego and be dust of everyone's feet; but these qualities can come only if the formless Vaheguru gives.

ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਦ ਮਤਸਰ ਏ ਖੇਲਤ ਸਭਿ ਜੂਐ ਹਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਤੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਦਇਆ ਧਰਮੁ ਸਚੁ ਇਹ ਅਪੁਨੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਵਾਰੇ ॥1॥

Shed Lust, Anger, love for Maya, Pride and Jealousy as a addicted gambler loses his possessions in gambling. Bring charity, contentedness, compassion, Dharma and Truth in your house (i.e. mind).

ਸਚੁ ਤਾ ਪਰੁ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਸਿਖ ਸਚੀ ਲੇਇ ॥ ਦਇਆ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੀਅ ਕੀ ਕਿਛੁ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਕਰੇਇ ॥

Then it would be considered that there is Truth if one adopts the Truth teaching (i.e. Naam). One should have compassion for all creatures and do good deeds and give charity.

ਦਇਆ ਕਪਾਹ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਸੂਤੁ ਜਤੁ ਗੰਢੀ ਸਤੁ ਵਟੁ ॥ ਏਹੁ ਜਨੇਊ ਜੀਅ ਕਾ ਹਈ ਤ ਪਾਡੇ ਘਤੁ ॥

In the above Salok too the Hukam is to have Daya, Santokh, Jatt (to be free of sexual lust) and Satt (Moral Character). It seems like these qualities are a must for the true Seeker of Vaheguru.

ਕਹਤੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਰੇ ਸੰਤਹੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਬਾੜੀ ॥3॥7॥ 970

Bhagat Kabir jee addressing to Gursikh Sants is saying that adopting Dharma and Daya is like have a beautiful garden (that will give good smell of spirituality).

ਜਉ ਜਮੁ ਆਇ ਕੇਸ ਗਹਿ ਪਟਕੈ ਤਾ ਦਿਨ ਕਿਛੁ ਨ ਬਸਾਹਿਗਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਭਜਨੁ ਦਇਆ ਨਹੀ ਕੀਨੀ ਤਉ ਮੁਖਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਖਾਹਿਗਾ ॥2॥ 1106

When the Jamm holds you by your hair, that day you will not be able to do anything. Since you did not do Simran Bhajan (Chanting Naam) and Daya (compassion), you will face injuries on your face.

In the light of above stated pankitis of Gurbani it is clear that having Daya is an important virtue that a Sikh must possess. Where there is compassion, there is Dharma. Following thoughts have come to mind after going through the Gurbani Pankitis stated above:

1. A Sikh is Dharmi only if he has Daya.

2. Anger prompts us to become violent against our fellow creatures but if we have enough Daya inside, it will prevent us from getting violent.

3. Continuing from point 2, the Gurmukhs do holy war (Dharam Yudh) not prompted by Anger but by Daya - Daya for victims and love for Dharma.

4. A Sikh can never be cruel and vengeful because Daya would prevent him from becoming so.

5. Killing Jeevs for the taste of the tongue is against the spirit of having Daya. Daya would never allow one to kill others for food. So eating meat is against Dharma because it violates the principle of Daya.

6. A Sikh is not in the business of breaking hearts because Daya prevents him from doing so.

May Guru Sahib enable us to adopt the Gurmat Principles of Daya, Dharma, and Santokh.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 03, 2010 04:42PM
Amazing!

According to gurmat, daya comes first and dharm follows. Such was the case when Guru Gobind Singh ji created the khalsa in 1699 at Siri Anandpur sahib. Bhai Daya Singh ji (before Daya Raam) stood first and dharm followed in form of Bhai Dharm Singh ji (before Dharm Daas).

This was no coincidence. Just as Bhai kulbir singh ji has explained using gurbani, one cannot be dharmi without daya. Vaheguru!
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 03, 2010 09:43PM
Some Historical Examples of Gursikhs working under Daya

1. Bhai Ghanaiya jee used to feed water to wounded soldiers in the battlefield. How could Bhai Sahib feed a wounded Sikh soldier and leave out the wounded soldier of the enemy? He could not. It was the virtue of Daya that prompted Bhai Sahib to not leave out the enemy soldier who too wanted to be fed water. Bhai Ghanaiya jee saw Vaheguru in all and as thus could not discriminate when feeding them water. Possessing such Daya also proved that Bhai Sahib was a true Dharmi.

2. Baba Khuda Singh was once absorbed in Naam Abhyaas during Amritvela that he heard someone sobbing and crying with pain. Baba jee went towards the direction where the painful sobbings were coming from. There he noticed a woman who had a poisonous abscess on her body. Her husband too was beside her but could not dare to remove the puss from her abscess. Baba jee out of Daya for her sucked out the puss from her wound and relieved her pain. In those days this was the only way to relieve of pain in such cases. Daya worked through Baba jee and helped the woman in distress.

3. Bhai Ladha Parupkaari jee helped Rai Balvand and Satta Doom to be part of Gurughar again. Guru Sahib had said that whoever would try to mediate for Rai Balvand and Satta Doom would have their face blackened. Bhai Ladha jee himself blackened his face and went to the Darbar of Guru Sahib. When Guru Sahib asked the reason for this action, he requested that these two Rababis be forgiven. Guru Sahib forgave them at the behest of Bhai Ladha jee. Bhai Ladha jee did this great act of helping others out of Daya and Karuna.

If more actions of compassion by Gursikhs can be shared by Gursikhs, it would be very much appreciated.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 05, 2010 04:52PM
thumbs up
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 05, 2010 05:12PM
vaheguru ji!!

can you please explain more about the order of panj piarae please. that is amazing how daya and dharam came in order.
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 06, 2010 08:14AM
Quote

can you please explain more about the order of panj piarae please. that is amazing how daya and dharam came in order.

"Vaheguru" jee

It was probably not a coincidence that the first Pyara who got up to offer his head to Guru Sahib was Bhai Daya Singh signifying the fact that the start of Dharma (religion) is with Daya (compassion).

Next Pyara after Bhai Daya Singh jee was Bhai Dharam Singh, in a way, reinforcing the fact that where there is Daya, there is Dharma too.

The next Pyara who offered his head to Guru Sahib was Bhai Himmat Singh, teaching us that where Daya and Dharma are present, Himmat (courage, valour) can't be absent from there.

The fourth Pyara was Bhai Mohkam Singh, signifiying that when Daya, Dharma and Himmat all mingle, they become Mohkam (a Farsi word meaning very strong, determined).

The last Pyara was Bhai Sahib Singh and his name and inclusion symbolizes that fact that where there are Daya, Dharma, Himmat and Mohkam, there is Sahib (meaning Master i.e. Vaheguru).

Hopefully, the above makes sense.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 06, 2010 08:28AM
Great is the Guru and Great is his Panth which has been established with such strong BASE/THOUGHTs. I am not sure if anyone so far has related the Punj Payara's names in the way veerji related above. We as Sikhs must need to analyze ourselves if we are anywhere near this.

We are looking for SAHIB but greatly missing first four that will get us there.

Everthing in the Panth is so well related and it so well SYMBOLISES what Guru needs to see in his Sikhs. We are forgetting small little things like

-- Jora Sewa
-- Langer Sewa
-- Sangat di Sewa etc

but definitely they play a great role in the making of a GURU PAYARA SIKH(as these gives JANAM to Garibi in us).

I doubt if washing Langer Dishes in Dishwashers today gives same kind of satisfaction/Gur Di Khushi as compared to doing it with hands and SAND.
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Re: Dharam over daya?
April 06, 2010 05:18PM
I agree Gursewak ji. There is no doubt that we today are lacking the diet (qualities) of olden singhs. The whole structure of sikhi being Naam, brings daya naturaly to real dharmi Sikhs. May Akaal purakh ji bless us all with daya and dharm.
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Re: Dharam over daya?
June 02, 2014 10:39AM
Another example to add to Bhai Kulbir Singh Jee's list is the kurbani done by gursikhs in Punja Sahib in 1922 (1923?), who sat in front of a moving train in order to feed the imprisoned gursikhs on board. These days, fools like me are more concerned about our own wellbeing than the wellbeing of our brothers and sisters, but these gurmukh pyarey were willing to allow themselves to be crushed to death just so that their brothers would have something to eat. Dhan Gursikhi. May Guru Sahib bless us with this sojhee.
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Re: Dharam over daya?
June 02, 2014 05:13PM
With respect to the Punja Sahib Saka, please read the following article:

[www.gurmatbibek.com]

Kulbir Singh
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