Shasha instead of Sasa? July 20, 2012 09:32AM |
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Think about it. Many shabads have been created by Guru Sahib while talking to Pandits and Muslim Faqirs. Do you think while talking to Pandits, Guru Sahib was not saying "Shanti" or "Shabad"? Do you think Guru Sahib would be saying 'Sabad" and "Saanti"? Same way while talking to Muslim Kazis and Mullahs, Guru Sahib spoke Arabic and Farsi. There are pure Farsi shabads in Gurbani. Guru Sahib was adept in Sanskrit, Farsi and Arabic languages. How could Guru Sahib pronounce wrongly the Farsi and Sanskrit words?
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Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 06, 2012 01:47PM |
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Prakah S Bagga
I think WAHiGuROO is the only judge.
Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 06, 2012 02:09PM |
Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 06, 2012 05:38PM |
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If a bindi was not added, and it was pronounced as ਗਾਵਾ the meaning would not be sing, it would mean cows or village. This would be a total un-arth of the Gurbani pangtee. Whenever a Gurbani pangtee should have a bindi or bindis added to its pronunciation but does not, an un-arth occurs.
A pangtee where ਗਾਵਾ is correctly pronounced without the bindi is presented below:
ਦੇਹੀ ਗਾਵਾ ਜੀਉ ਧਰ ਮਹਤਉ ਬਸਹਿ ਪੰਚ ਕਿਰਸਾਨਾ || (ਅੰਗ ੧੧੦੪)
According the Taksal, there is nothing wrong with adding bindi’s at this particular pangti. If you add or do not add bindi’s here, there is no un-arths being done.Quote
Even modern paathis from groups who do not believe in adding bindis have begun doing so in recent years. For example in this recording , the bindis are added in the pangtees ਦੇਦਾ ਦੇ ਲੈਦੇ ਥਕਿ ਪਾਹਿ || and ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ ਵਾਚੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਹਦੂਰਿ ||
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In the same recording an adhak is added to the word ਮਸਕਤਿ in the pangtee ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ||
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how can one on one hand say adding bindis on the bottom of words is incorrect, but quite happily add bindis on top, adhaks, and tippis?
Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 07, 2012 07:40PM |
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Kulbir SIngh
Think about it. Many shabads have been created by Guru Sahib while talking to Pandits and Muslim Faqirs. Do you think while talking to Pandits, Guru Sahib was not saying "Shanti" or "Shabad"? Do you think Guru Sahib would be saying 'Sabad" and "Saanti"? Same way while talking to Muslim Kazis and Mullahs, Guru Sahib spoke Arabic and Farsi. There are pure Farsi shabads in Gurbani. Guru Sahib was adept in Sanskrit, Farsi and Arabic languages. How could Guru Sahib pronounce wrongly the Farsi and Sanskrit words?
Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 08, 2012 12:42AM |
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Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 08, 2012 02:18PM |
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You are wrong. Bhai Jarnail Singh adds SH sound. Listen to his Sukhmani Sahib recording he says Ashtpadi.
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Baba Avtar Singh, grandson of Sant Gurbachan Singh adds bindia, says shabad, sharan, darshan etc.
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Even Sant Gurbachan Singh adds Bindia in his katha, he says : sajjan sacha patshaa.
Look man, we all know that the Taksal at the present time is not what it used to be like back in the day during vadey mahapurkhs, sant kartar singh jee, and sant jarnail singh jee's time. The santhya in the taksal at the present time is not what it used to be like back in the day, there is no strictness in santhya and maryda etc anymore.Quote
Lots of Taksali singhs have now started to add bindia and are slowly slowly starting to follow viakarn.
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I read paath in the Taksal style as that's how I was taught and learned finer pronunciation through listening to Sant Kartar Singh Ji's tapes.
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Re: Shasha instead of Sasa? August 09, 2012 03:34PM |
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The modern day Taksal was started by Sant Sundar Singh. His Ustaad Baba Bishan Singh passed his Gaddi/Leadership onto another person at the village Murale.
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