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Wearing Gurmukhi Dastaar without Keski showing

Posted by Kulbir Singh 
The picture below should prompt our brothers who don't show their Keski when wearing Gurmukhi Dastaar, to start showing the Keski underneath; otherwise their Dastaar would resemble Al-qaeda chief's Dastaar. I wonder why he has started wearing a Gurmukhi Dastaar kind of Dastaar now. Troublemakers!!! Another reason to avoid White Dastaar. smiling smiley Surmai Dastaar is the way to go. cool smiley

Kulbir Singh

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LOL!

I not a fan of white dastar or keski either..
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haha
hes actually tied it quite nicely !
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In India whenever white dastaar was worn by a Sikh he was labelled as Congressia or follower of Congress party in India. After what the congress did, who would want to get labelled like that in any case by wearing the white dastaar.
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akaal74 Wrote:
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> In India whenever white dastaar was worn by a
> Sikh he was labelled as Congressia or follower of
> Congress party in India. After what the congress
> did, who would want to get labelled like that in
> any case by wearing the white dastaar.


A lot of people went around wearing bana and doing bad deeds, should we stop wearing bana in order to not get labelled as bad people?
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Hahahahaha!!!! And, another reason to tuck your ears in too!
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Judging by the looks of this picture, he seems like a peaceful scholar but now deceiving looks can be, sometimes...

And good point, Amritvela jee. Keep the ears tucked in.

Kulbir Singh
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The picture below should prompt our brothers who don't show their Keski when wearing Gurmukhi Dastaar, to start showing the Keski underneath; otherwise their Dastaar would resemble Al-qaeda chief's Dastaar. I wonder why he has started wearing a Gurmukhi Dastaar kind of Dastaar now. Troublemakers!!! Another reason to avoid White Dastaar. Surmai Dastaar is the way to go.

If we are trying to avoid being associated with AL Quaida the color of our dastar does not matter. As long as the color of naam is not inside
us what good will outer colors do to enlighten the general public. THe dastar you posted above is no different then the style Baba Isher
SIngh Ji ( Rara Sahib) use to wear. When people ( including non gursikhs) would have darshan of Baba Ji they would get struck by arrows of love due to Baba Jis Naam kamaee. Similarly Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir SIngh Ji mentions when meeting naam imbued GUrmukhs the arrows of naam.
Bhai Nand SIngh Ji mentions when he met GUru Sahib he instantly was hit by the arrows of love and became a shaheed.

ਮਾਰਾ ਬ-ਯਕ ਇਸ਼ਾਰਹੇ ਅਬਰੂ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਕਰਦ।
ਅਕਨੂੰ ਇਲਾਜ ਨੇਸਤ ਕਿ ਤੀਰ ਅਜ਼ ਕਮਾਂ ਗੁਜ਼ਰਤ॥ ੩॥ ( gazal 8)
Just by one glance of your eyebrow you have turned me into a martyr.
Now that the arrow ( arrow of naam/love) has been released from the bow there is no remedy .

As Baba Ishers SIngh Jis example, the color in the inside is much more important then the color on the outside.
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In India whenever white dastaar was worn by a Sikh he was labelled as Congressia or follower of Congress party in India. After what the congress did, who would want to get labelled like that in any case by wearing the white dastaar.

Really what about Shaheed Bhai Fauja SIngh Ji. He commonly wore white
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gurfateh

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Kulbir Singh
And good point, Amritvela jee. Keep the ears tucked in.

daas also feels strongly against singhs wearing dumallai which isnt covering their ears! when you go to the darbar sahib, you are meant to be tyaar-bar-tyaar...how can you be if you're not even wearing a proper dastar/dumalla in accordance to its maryada?!?!

in dass' area, when the local youth see singhs with the 'new, comfortable, ear friendly' dumalla, unfortunately we all seem to find it hard to spot the difference between their appearances in relation to the muslim/afghan people wearing their 'own' style turban sad smiley. (see below)







dass hopes a day will come when everyone is wearing maryada approved bana and dastar/dumallai smiling smiley

gurfateh!
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babeeha Wrote:
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> gurfateh
>
> And good point, Amritvela jee. Keep the ears
> tucked in.
>
> daas also feels strongly against singhs wearing
> dumallai which isnt covering their ears! when you
> go to the darbar sahib, you are meant to be
> tyaar-bar-tyaar...how can you be if you're not
> even wearing a proper dastar/dumalla in accordance
> to its maryada?!?!
>
> in dass' area, when the local youth see singhs
> with the 'new, comfortable, ear friendly' dumalla,
> unfortunately we all seem to find it hard to spot
> the difference between their appearances in
> relation to the muslim/afghan people wearing their
> 'own' style turban sad smiley. (see below)
>
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> im.jpg?w=470
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> [editthis.info]
> rtrait.jpg
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> [timeglobalspin.files.wordpress.com]
> aaa42-29568484.jpg
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>
> dass hopes a day will come when everyone is
> wearing maryada approved bana and dastar/dumallai
> smiling smiley
>
> gurfateh!


What is the Maryada for wearing dastars? I always thought as long as two are worn ( keski and then dastar on top) then it is fine.
Why is it incorrect to not cover your ears? My dastar covers my ears but only because my dastar is more secure and comfortable this way.
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I recently started feeling that covering ears is what distinguishes us from Muslims. Since I started wearing a dastar only some 7.5 years ago, I always preferred to keep ears uncovered while wearing a gol dastar as its more comfortable. Now I think that its ok to do so at home, but outside we should make sure to wear a blue/surmaee/kesri/basanti color dastar and also make sure to have our ears covered. Plus covering ears always ensures that the dastar is comparatively tighter, as it tends to get lose of its over the ears (in most cases atleast).
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If we are trying to avoid being associated with AL Quaida the color of our dastar does not matter. As long as the color of naam is not inside
us what good will outer colors do to enlighten the general public. THe dastar you posted above is no different then the style Baba Isher
SIngh Ji ( Rara Sahib) use to wear. When people ( including non gursikhs) would have darshan of Baba Ji they would get struck by arrows of love due to Baba Jis Naam kamaee. Similarly Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir SIngh Ji mentions when meeting naam imbued GUrmukhs the arrows of naam.

Have some sense of humour, please. You have taken it too seriously.

Kulbir Singh
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Kulbir Singh Wrote:
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> If we are trying to avoid being associated with AL
> Quaida the color of our dastar does not matter. As
> long as the color of naam is not inside
> us what good will outer colors do to enlighten the
> general public. THe dastar you posted above is no
> different then the style Baba Isher
> SIngh Ji ( Rara Sahib) use to wear. When people (
> including non gursikhs) would have darshan of Baba
> Ji they would get struck by arrows of love due to
> Baba Jis Naam kamaee. Similarly Bhai Sahib Bhai
> Randhir SIngh Ji mentions when meeting naam imbued
> GUrmukhs the arrows of naam.
>
> Have some sense of humour, please. You have taken
> it too seriously.
>
> Kulbir Singh




Kulbir Singh Jee, I don't think Sukhdeep Singh is capable of having a sense of humour. I don't there is any humour in puratan rehatnamai.

p.s I am joking
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The man in the first photo in babeeha jee's post I think wears a nice Dastaar and also a very nice DhaaRaa grinning smiley
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I googled "Muslim Turban", and here is what I found. Apparently, the wearing of a Turban is actually part I ther religion.


The turban tradition in Islam
Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad
The turban tradition in Islam





ALLAHUMMA salli ‘ala sahibi al-taj, goes a famous Yemeni prayer _ “Our Lord, bless the Owner of the Crown!” The “crown” is the turban, and its owner is the Holy Prophet Muhammad, upon him blessings and peace.

‘Imama, the turban, has been the most distinctive vestimentary sunnah _ “way of life” _ of Islam since the beginnings of the Religion. ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar said: “The Prophet used to wind the turban around his head and tuck it in behind him, letting its extremity hang down between his shoulders.”

Turbans were worn even before Islam and signified a man’s honour. An Arab saying goes, “Turbans are the crowns of the Arabs”. This was explained to mean that although the pristine Arabs were too proud to accept a king’s rule over them, and therefore had no crowns other than their turbans.

The early Muslim way of wearing the turban consisted in two pieces of headdress: the qalansuwa or borderless hat of varying thickness, and the ‘imama, the actual turban cloth wound around the qalansuwa. Abu Dawud mentioned in his Sunan that the Prophet is related to have said, “The difference between us and the pagans is that we wear the ‘imama on top of the qalansuwa.” Thus, wearing either exclusively of the other was originally a foreign practice.

The material of the turban is ideally white muslin, a very fine cotton. The colours and length of the turban vary. In the chapters on the Prophet’s turban in the books of the “Prophetic Characteristics” known as Shama’il, the authorities have mentioned seven and 10 yard lengths as the two standards. However, as long as one can at least wind the turban around once, its length suffices, while great Shaykhs of the past have
been known to wear large and heavy turbans exceeding 10 yard-lengths by far.

All of the founding Imams of the four schools of Ahl al-Sunnah
wal-Jama’ah wore the turban. In their biographies of the founder of the Hanafi School, Imam Abu Hanifah _ famous for his awesome analytical mind _ al-Suyuti and al-Haytami relate that he owned seven turbans, perhaps one for each day of the week.

The Hanafis, such as Subcontinent and other Asian Muslims from the Chinese to the Turks, are particularly strict about never praying bareheaded. A famous manual of law according to the four Sunni Schools states, “According to the Hanafi school it is abominable to pray bareheaded out of laziness. But praying bareheaded out of humbleness and a feeling of submission is permitted.”

The founder of the Maliki School _ which dominates most of Africa today _ Imam Malik ibn Anas always wore beautiful clothes, especially white, and he “passed the turban under his chin (a style known as tahannuk), letting its extremity hang behind his back, and he wore musk and other scents,” said one of his students.

Malik stressed the wearing of the turban, particularly for the learned. “The turbans should not be neglected,” he said. “I wore the turban with nary a hair on my face. When I asked permission from my mother to pursue the scholarly life she said: ‘First, wear the garb of the scholars’; she took me and dressed me in short-hemmed (mushammara) garments, placed a tall headcover on my head and tied a turban around it then she said, ‘Now go and write the Science’.

“I saw over 30 men wearing the turban in my teacher Rabi’a's circle. He would not put it down before the Pleiades rose (late at night) and he used to say: ‘I swear it strengthens wit!”‘

Baring the head in Islam was the sign of a man of low condition and is listed in many a manual among the “acts which betray lack of self-respect” (khawarim al-muru’a). A scholar relates that as a young man, one day, he entered the mosque in Madinah without anything on his head whereupon his father scolded him to no end. “How dare you enter the mosque bare-headed?”

It was a different matter, however, if the same was done out of
humility, as revealed by the wording of a question that was put to one of the eight-century authorities in Syria: “Is it all right if people gather in the mosque, making zikir and reading al-Qur’an, praying to Allah and taking their turbans off their heads, weeping, as long as their intention is not pride nor self-display but seeking to draw closer to Him?” he replied yes.

The illiterate Shaykh ‘Ali al-Hajjar was described as “the Bare-Headed, the saintly man” but another Egyptian, the stern Ibn Daqiq al-’Id, said: “What is carried on top of the head should not be put down” _ at least, not on the floor.

Imam Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi’i, founder of the School which bears his name and dominates large parts of the middle East and the totality of Southeast Asia, “was thrifty in his dress and wore thin clothes of linen and Baghdadi cotton. He sometimes wore a headcover that was not very tall but he wore the turban very often”, said one of his students. “I counted three hundred turbans in his circle save those I could not
see.”

Another said: “Al-Shafi’i used to wear a large turban, as if he were a desert Arab.” Both he and his student, the Imam of the Hanbali School, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, passed it under his chin the way the North African Touareg and many Sudanese do to this day.

Such is the high nobility of the turban that we are told even the angels wore it. Of the Qur’anic verse, “Your Lord shall help you with five thousand angels bearing marks” (Surat Ali ‘Imran, verse 125), Ibn ‘Abbas, the greatest of the early exegetes, said: “The signs are that they wore turbans.”

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Sukhdeep Singh Wrote:
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> In India whenever white dastaar was worn by a Sikh
> he was labelled as Congressia or follower of
> Congress party in India. After what the congress
> did, who would want to get labelled like that in
> any case by wearing the white dastaar.
>
> Really what about Shaheed Bhai Fauja SIngh Ji. He
> commonly wore white
> [www.mrsikhnet.com]
> mages/BhaiFaujaSingh3-747449.jpg

Pyaareo, you really taking things too seriously. White is one of the gurmukhi colors so nothing wrong in wearing white. Daas just posted in the spirit of this thread.7


Although looking at faces posted below may not give you good experience but just posting them to give you an idea of what I meant by congressi sikh turban. Note it looks very similar to what Bhai Kulbir SIngh posted in the first post.

Here are some of dusht congressis and narakdhari in white turban tied in a specific style:







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Personally dont under why some here have an allergy towards white dastar. There are 2 pictures out there of Subedaar Harbachan Singh Rangley Sajjan wearing white dastar.

Chota veer
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Now seriously talking, there is nothing wrong in wearing a White Dastaar as it is one of the four acceptable colours of Dastaar for Khalsa to wear. There is also a picture of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee wearing a White Dastaar when he was studying at a college in Lahore but from the day he Amrit chhak, he never wore a White Dastaar and only wore a Surmai (Navy Blue) Dastaar.

When the legendary freedom fighter Sardar Kartar Singh Sarabha approached Bhai Sahib and sought help in over throwing the British, Bhai Sahib agreed to help out. He gave Bhai Sahib the responsibility to bring revolt at the military base in Ferozepur. He furthermore asked Bhai Sahib to wear only White Dastaar along with his Jatha but Bhai Sahib strongly refused to wear a White Dastaar and said that his Jatha would only wear the Surmai Dastaara.

At another place in one of his books, Bhai Sahib has written that the best and the utmost colour, for a Khalsa, is Surmai for Dastaara and Basanti for Keski. Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale only used to wear a Surmai Dastaara and the same is true for Sant Kartar Singh and Sant Jarnail Singh. However Sant Sunder Singh did used to wear a White Dastaara and for this, at one time in village Kaunke, the Akalis wanted to stop him from doing Seva of Chaur but Sant Maghar Singh jee intervened and let him do Seva wearing a White Dastaara.

The aforementioned does not mean that if a Gursikh wears a White Dastaara, he does a sin or becomes a Tankhaaiya or anything but "White Dastaar changi nahi lagdi, Singh de"

Kulbir Singh
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Sant Gurbachan Singh Jee also told Singhs to wear yellow/basanti coloured dastara/keskia. In their writings, they say the four colours of the Khalsa are white blue black and yellow, and not orange which has become popular in modern days.
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Master Niranjan Singh Jee once advised us that we should try to tie the same dastaar to smagams, programs, etc. that we usually tie.
Our understanding: Tie a proper dastaar everyday, don't just try to "play it up" for programs.
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