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According to Gurbani calling Siri Guru jee avtaar of Raja Janak is not praising Guru Sahib but reducing His praise because even the Sant Gursikhs of Guru Sahib are superior to Raja Janak and his likes:
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even Sikhs of Guru Sahib are superior to Raja Janak
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it is slandering Guru Sahib because even Gursikhs are superior to Raja Janak
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Sree Guru Sahib jee is the Akaali jot of Vaheguroo. Being a previous incarnation is impossible.
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Thank you for your reply Kulbir Singh Ji. It did sound and read as if you were making Raja Janak look small. As seen by what I have highlighted, stating that Sikhs are even superior to Raja Janak was quite shocking. Like I said, I would not see myself as superior. Bhai Gurdas Ji calls Raja Janak a Gurmukh. Therefore I salute him.
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Those questions are not needed to be answered. The reason being is because Bhai Gurdas Ji already says Raja Janak was a Gurmukh, regardless of what me or you say on the matter. That point can not be changed, or no argument can be put against Raja Janak to say he is less than the Sikhs of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
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Could one of the readers or writers on this forum save me from going to hell? - I think this is enough to show the greatness of Raja Janak.
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the word "Gurmukh" does not mean Gursikh but it most probably means through Guru or through the power of Guru.
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in Kaljug it came out in open in form of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee and our 10 Guru Sahibaan.
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Gurbani has already established that Satguru did not become active in 1469
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If Gurmukhs like Baba Buddha jee, Baba Deep Singh jee and Bhai Daya Singh jee wish, they too can empty the hells easier than Raja Janak
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Kulbir Singh Ji, you have here said yourself ‘most probably’ – so you cannot be 100% sure that is what Bhai Gurdas Ji was meaning.
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And even if like you said it may mean through the Guru (Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Ji) then still that would mean that he was a Gurmukh, as Guru Nanak Sahib Ji gave him all the shakthi to do so much bhagthi and do be able to become detached from maya.
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Gurbani tells us that anyone who is beyond the ras of maya, they are completely mukht. Therefore, Raja Janak must have been ‘Gurmukh’. I
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I do not mean the physical body of Guru ji, but the nirgun roop, as Vaheguru Himself. As Vaheguru is Guru Nanak Ji, So it is through Vaheguru that Raja Janak was saved.
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Gurbani clearly tells us that through the ages, many have been saved by Vaheguru.
ਹਰਿਜੁਗੁਜੁਗੁਭਗਤਉਪਾਇਆਪੈਜਰਖਦਾਆਇਆਰਾਮਰਾਜੇ ||
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Singh Ji, this is not a competition between such Gurmukhs like the above stated. I personally do not even think that Dhan Baba Buddha Ji’s vichaar would have been similar to yours. I do not believe that Baba Ji would have said the things you have said and tried to pursue the belief that Raja Janak was not mukth. Baba Ji would have seen all as Vaheguru.
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Who can be 100% sure about translating Bhai Gurdaas jee's Baani?
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Raja Janak can be Gurmukh in the Gurmat sense only if he received Naam from Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee; otherwise not.
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Being free from Traigunni Maya does not automatically translate into the topmost destination of Sachkhand.
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the level of Karam Khand which too is above Maya.
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Satnam (True Naam Gurmantr) did not appear in this world before the advent of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee
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This competition was started by you when you asked if any Gursikh could do what Raja Janak did.
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Baba jee would have seen Vaheguru all but seeing Vaheguru in all does not mean that you start seeing chanters of Kirtam Naam equal to Gursikhs of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee.
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Bhai Sahib Bhai Kulbir Singh ji has written, yet you disagree and fail to understand what he is trying to tell you
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the level of Karam Khand which too is above Maya.
I cannot find this in Bani as well. According to Gurbani, Karam Khand is not even possible to describe.
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The reason why I did not answer your questions Kulbir Singh Ji are because I know that no one on this forum would agree with my view, and therefore would use my answers against me. Where, the reason I posted was to try to inform others to respect the likes of Raja Janak.
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Where, the reason I posted was to try to inform others to respect the likes of Raja Janak.
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the level of Karam Khand which too is above Maya.
I cannot find this in Bani as well. According to Gurbani, Karam Khand is not even possible to describe.
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I never said any Gursikh, as I know that for Gursikhs like Baba Buddha Ji and Dhan Baba Deep Singh Ji etc, they could do this. What I said was this; ‘Could one of the readers or writers on this forum save me from going to hell?’
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This point osunds confused Singh Ji. As you said that if you see Vaheguru in all you wouldn’t see chanters of kirtam naam same as gursikhs of guru nanak ji. But if you see God everywhere, how can you see the difference in anyone? Therefore Vaheguru must look down upon people? – God is all loving, therefore a Gurmukh also becomes this – This is Very clearly written in Mool mantar.
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Kulbir Singh Ji, I am not trying to personally attack you.
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But please try to use knowledge which you have gained from your own experience. Not knowledge which you have read or studied from other sources, this is where views differ. As Gurbani is there to be practiced and we can only then have true understanding of it once we practice and experience what it says. Try to let go of all these concepts which have been read, and write from your experiences.
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