One of the greatest saints of 20th century, puran Brahmgiani Mahapurakh Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Mastuana did not keep sarbloh rehit. So is the case with Sant Baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardan, Sant Baba Aaya Singh ji Hoti Mardan, and so is the case with Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib Wale. At the same time everybody in Sikh panth respects sarbloh/bibeki rehit. Baba Mit Singh ji of Nanded sahib,by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Its often said that Guru Angad dev ji organised wrestling matches. How does somebody who has joorha participate in full contact wrestling. Won't joorha come undone and would that not be considered a be-adbi? It looks so dis-respectful when somebody's hair get opened up like that.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Its ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ. Whoever said zoravaar pronounced it wrong. That's not it.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
A small short term and immediate way is to remove yourself from the scene and go away somewhere in open air. This often calms me down. And then talk it out with a friend. Talking it out releases the build up inside. And of course Simran.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
jaskirat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mystical23 Wrote: > > These would perhaps be answerable if we stop > > taking the 84 lakh as a fixed count. > > OK on your request I give up the idea of 84 lakh. > Now answer those 3 Questions, if possible. Please don't give it up on my request. I am not requesting, just presenting my views. You think and chooby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
You are accusing me of going against Gurmat by saying life did not come out of chemicals. You are wrong. Chemicals did precede life and Guru said this very thing. ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਪਵਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਪਵਨੈ ਤੇ ਜਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਜਲ ਤੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਸਾਜਿਆ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਇ ॥ Try and explain this.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Christian idea of sin is totally the opposite of > what I have written. According to them, because of > the original sin, everyone is born with sin but > what I have suggested is that originally when the > Jeevs had come to this world they started off as > pure but later on under the influence of Maya > degresseby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
ns44 ji I just read your write up. I must thank you for your great post! Thanks!by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When Vaheguru started this creation, the first > inhabitants were people of high ethics. Rape and > incest is happening now because of the influence > of Kaljug. When Akal Purakh started this creation, > the first people only slowly started sinning. But > if we believe in your theory of evolution, then we > hby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I posted a link to Talk Origins website earlier. The same website has published a detailed write-up on proof of macro-evolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
One of the many ways in which evolution is proven is through evolutionary remnants in species. Have a look at these articles. These are said to be proofs of Evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirusby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
jaskirat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Few Questions : > > Q1. Does the variety counted as different Joonis. > For example there are variety of Fishes - Whale, > Shark, Goldfish etc... So does this mean all Fish > varities are One-One Jooni each or there is only > One Jooni Fish which covers all. > > There can be many examples like this. For exampleby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: > Why have you interpreted this Pankiti in such > complicated way when the meaning is so > straightforward? Where did you get the words > "prakriya, method, system" etc when there is no > mention of this in the Pankiti. These words are meant to convey the idea. I am not saying these words are there in the line. They refer to the process or cycle of birth and deaths.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just because you say so or some crazy scientist > (or a bunch of atheist scientists) claim that at > one time the mother of a human (the so called > first human) was a non-human, does not mean that > we would believe such a notion. Show us the proof. You can look around for proof. There are fossils and boneby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
GurmanSingh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਮੇਦਨੀ; > ਘਟੈ ਨ ਵਧੈ ਉਤਾਹਿ ॥ > > I think this clearly proves that the 8.4 million > number is literal, and not just a metaphor. Also, > the number never increases nor decreases, which > means evolution is not possible. The stanza as I explained beby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Its only by convenience that we choose to take 68 teeraths and 10 directions and 14 lokas as to be used figuratively and take 84 lac as something to swear by. If there are 14 Lokas how do they fit in with the theory of 5 Khands? Going by this approach Guru ji should have, while elaborating in the Gyan Khand have been specific about the count of everything. And he did not mention 14 lokas at all.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Every species that comes into being as a result of various factors of genetic variation and such is a complete and full species on its own and it is not Half Way of a future species. And within a species an individual remains with same specie-specific body its whole life. When a species is not able to produce a viable offspring from another one it can be considered to be a separate species. Homby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Sukhdeep Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mystical23 can you kindly explain to us what > theorist believe where the mind has originated. > Does this theory support Gurmat in terms of > reincarnation and " Mann tu Jot Saroop Hai... ".? Evolution concerns itself with species, not their mind. This was never the intention and why are we even expecting thby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Kulbir Singh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਮੇਦਨੀ > ਘਟੈ ਨ ਵਧੈ ਉਤਾਹਿ ॥ > > The above Pankiti clearly states not only that > there are 8.4 million life forms but also that > this number does not go up or down. There are more > such Pankitis as well but for a Sikh just one > Pankiti will suffby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Lets take another example. Guru ji uses the figure of 14 bhavans and 10 directions at many places in Gurbani. Here for example: ਚਉਦਹਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਕੁੰਟ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਆਪ ॥ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਨ ਪੂਰਨ ਪਰਤਾਪ ॥ ਦਸੇ ਦਿਸਾ ਰਵਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਏਕੁ ॥ ਧਰਨਿ ਅਕਾਸ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਪੇਖੁ ॥ ਜਲ ਥby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I would also like to add that in US and Canada some christian churches like Jehovah's Witness preach vociferously against Evolution and other science findings. It is in this background that this thread has come up for discussion on a Sikh forum. My suggestion to all sikhs in general is that we should NOT indulge in arguing about Scientific findings. Pure science is path of understanding the unby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
>Preetam Singh Wrote: >------------------------------------------------------- > This is only your interpretation that 8.4 million > has been used as a figurative term, there is no > evidence too prove that to be true. The evidence is there. And the evidence is that this figure is not Guru ji's. Its handed down from Ancient rishis. There are other figures too 68 teeraths- There is no cby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I believe in Evolution and I also believe that Gurmat has no problem with this theory. I do not have time to elaborate more on this, so I'll just say a few words here. #The figure 84 lakh of yonis has NOT been arrived at by Sikh Gurus. Its a figure which existed for thousands of years in religious lore of Bharatvarsha and was present in Ancient texts. #The belief that 84 lakh joonis is a fiby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
hmm.. so why is this so? Why is it that there are no directions -let alone elaborations- on this? Gurbani is treated as infallible injunction by a sikh, so does it leave the role of societal strength to student's (a sikh's) understanding and discrimination? How does one reconcile the two things? On one hand Sukhmani Sahib asks us to become dust of everybody's feet. If this were to followed woulby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Having connections does not mean accepting each and everything. Dhruv, Prahalada, Vashisht and many others are praised by Gurbani as Gurmukhs which is a proof of these 'connections'. In accepting this there is no danger of Sikhism losing its separate identity.by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Great example of the fact that Gurbani takes much of ideas, mythology, definitive terms, concepts, attitudes other elements from Sanatan stream of Bharatvarsha and treats it as a huge contextual background. These days in a zeal to show Sikhism as a separate religion many wish to deny the fact that Gurbani has anything to do with anything connected with Hinduism and that Gurbani refers to these juby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Prakash ji do you have any Gurbani lines in mind which refer to assertiveness?by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
The outer societal life is a tough one as we all know. If one remains meek and humble all the time one gets exploited, used and discarded like a material object. People take advantage of you, take favors and do not return them, manipulate you for their personal profit, indulge in back biting, come across as opinionated, nasty, brutal and what not. To cut the long story short if one does not showby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
Prakash ji I think what rsingh ji is looking for a reference material/book/primer. So if you can suggest a book...by mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum
I agree with you Kulbir Singh ji. But with a slight variation though. I think what Kabir ji is saying is : "O Kabir recite the Naam, and if you have taken on a Khasam(made Vaheguru as your master, and yourself become a slave of Him), He shall be protect you (from enemies or death or whatever)" The difference is slight but important. If one recites Naam and one takes Onkar/Prabhu as one'sby mystical23 - Gurmat Discussion Forum