Did all the Bhagats get Gurmantar from Guru Sahibaan?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

A Gursikh had once told me that all the Bhagats (whose Bani is darj in Sri Guru Granth Sahib) had darshan of Guru Sahibaan and received Gurmantar in their lifetime. Also, it was only after they got Gurmantar, did they Ucharo all the bani that is there in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.

Could someone please shed light on this?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

there were bhagats that were before guru jee;s time, like bhagat fareed jee

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Saad Sangat Ji,

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

It is absolutely true, bhagati starts with gurmanter.

gur mantar dhrirraaeae har rasak rasaaeae har amrith har mukh choe jeeo || panna 447

gur sabadh dhrirraaeiaa param padh paaeiaa dhutheea geae sukh hooo ||
kahu naanak bhav saagar thariaa har nidhh paaee sehajooo ||2||2||33|| panna 535

There are many more Shabad..............in Sri Guru Garanth Sahib Ji

Actually Bhagati starts with gurmanter, which bring our minds to sehj avastha, without furne(thought). Thoughts keep us away from Akal purakh. Gurmanter keeps furne away matter of fact it kills them and we(mind) rests in its owm home(sehaj ghar), which is called "bhav saagar thariaa".

Anyone likes to go in details?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh......h. jio

Gurdeep Singh

Dass, according to Bhai Randhir Singh ji reaching a thoughtless state is no big deal but a low stage, a true gursikh is an aath pehari, he meditates on gurmantar with each breath 24/7. You cannot reach the true sehaj ghar unless you are aath pehari. This thoughtless state when going into yogmat "sun" where body becomes dead is not a big deal in gurmat. Read bhai sahibs books for better understanding, don't put all your faith in "mahapurakhs".

This has been discussed here.

Waheguru de piaaroo,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa..................................!
Waheguru ji ki Fateh.....................................h,

Please read slowly in piaar mode........

The entire Gurbani is about and for Mann(Mind),, which is jot- saroop
gurbani says
panna 440
man too(n) jot saroop hai aapanaa mool pashhaan

and the suchkhand is nirankar.
panna 8
sach khandd vasai nira(n)kaar

nira(n)kaar is nirakarr and all around us and within us, this does not have color, shape or form,
gurbani says
panna 283
roop n raekh n rang kishh thrihu gun thae prabh bhinn
thiseh bujhaaea naanakaa jis hovai suprasann

It is right in front of everyone and it is parkash-roop, gurbani says
panna736
nikatt vasai naahee prabh dhoor and
panna 165
nikatt vasai naahee har dhoor

we never try to see this invisible Nirankar(Waheguru), but instead see the maya(par grih) created by the creator and get- lost/submerged in it, gurbani says
panna 1139
nikatt n dhaekhai par grihi jaae
dharab hirai mithhiaa kar khaae
pee thagouree har sang n jaaniaa
baajh guru hai bharam bhulaaniaa

Now guru has to pull the curtain off to show the such. Guru does it ,only when one gains guru's trust , that is...... live life according to 100% gurbani,
panna917
tann mann dhhan sabh soup gur ko hukam manniai paaeeai................. here dhann is of breaths(swass)

Then guru does kirpa . Now think, where we(mind) stand.......? not the physical body.
panna 1209
hoe kirapaal gur laahi paaradho milo laal man hareeaa
this is just an introduction to SUCHH (Suchkhand) that is "aadd suchh, jugadd suchh."

AFTER THIS, ONE HAS TO SUBMERGE INTO THIS VISIBLE SUCHH(THE INVISIBLE SUCHH) by looking into it.
MY dear fellows this take lots and lots and LOTS of efforts. It is called separation of mind from body and become one with the supreme Waheguru. One can do this only if it has love for NIRANKAR.
Panna 414
akal kalaa sach saach ttikaavai ||
so nar garabh jon nehee aavai

This mind is formed from 5 parkash tatts
Panna 415
eihu mann karamaa eihu man dhharamaa
eihu mann pa(n)ch thath thae janamaa
saakat lobhee eih mann moorraa
guramukh naam japai mann roorraa

AT ONE STAGE JOT SAROOP MANN(MIND) SUBMERGES INTO THIS SPACE(SUCCH). IT WILL HAPPEN ONLY WHEN WE BELIEVE AND FELL IN LOVE WITH IT AND HAS LOTS OF TARRAP (VARAG) FOR THE WAHEGURU, FROM WHO WE ARE DEPARTED.

HOW WE GET THERE......................?

FIRST LEARN TO LOVE EVERYONE(Creation of Waheguru), KILL THE HATE(DUBIDDA). Do simran, swass giras day and night. THIS IS JUST A START.

MY REQUEST TO ALL.....Please qoute gurbani all the times when responding to each other.
May Waheguru bless us all and learn, how to live according to GURU's direction (GURBANI). It will take us right to WAHEGURU.

panna 116
baajh guroo hai andhh gubaaraa
panna 33
gur kai shabad jeevat marai, har naam vasai mann aae

Naam is WITHIN EVERYONE. NO ONE CAN GIVE.
GURBANI SAYS
panna 293
no nidhh amrith prabh kaa naam
dhaehee mehi eis kaa bisraam

FIND IT........................?

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA............
WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.............H....................JIO

Dass
Gurdeep Singh

Bhai Gurdeep Singh, I have two questions:

Where is dharam khand? Also describe dharam khand.

What do the punj shabad sound like? Cymbol? Conch shell? thunderstorm? flute?

Thank you.

Tejasv jeeo,,

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A Gursikh had once told me that all the Bhagats (whose Bani is darj in Sri Guru Granth Sahib) had darshan of Guru Sahibaan and received Gurmantar in their lifetime. Also, it was only after they got Gurmantar, did they Ucharo all the bani that is there in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.
Could someone please shed light on this?

Verily, whoever swam across this terrible ocean of Maya, did so through the Gurmukh Naam Roopi Gurmantra bestowed by Satguru jee. Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee declares unequivocally that no one has ever attained Vaheguru without the True Guru:

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਮਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
(No one has attained Vaheguru without Satguru, do analysis in your mind)

The aforementioned Pankiti declares that no one has attained Vaheguru without Satguru. Satguru gives Naam Gurmantra to the true Seeker and through this Naam, he swims across this terrible ocean.

Please have a look at the following Pankitis:

ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਉਧਰੇ ॥ ਧ੍ਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦੁ ਬਿਦਰੁ ਦਾਸੀ ਸੁਤੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਤਰੇ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

O my mind, by chanting Naam, they got delivered. Dhru, Prahlaad, son of servant (Bidar) swam through Gurmukh Naam.

Please notice the force of the “Gurmukh Naam”, above. They did not swim through just any Naam but Gurmukh Naam. Gurmukh Naam is the Gurmat Naam that is received from no one other than Satguru jee. Some people claim that since these Bhagats lived many hundreds or thousands of years before the advent of Pargat Roop of Satguru – Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee – they could not have been delivered by Satguru jee. How naive of them to think that Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee did not exist before He appeared in his open form in 1469. Just because Siri Guru jee had not appeared in open, does not mean that He was non-existent and did not do His work of giving salvation to selected Bhagats.

The next Pankiti of the above Shabad is very interesting:

ਕਲਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾ ਉਧਰੇ ॥
ਨਾਮਾ ਜੈਦੇਉ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਸਭਿ ਦੋਖ ਗਏ ਚਮਰੇ ॥
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਗੇ ਸੇ ਉਧਰੇ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਟਰੇ ॥2॥

(In Kalyug too Naam the supreme Substance, delivered Bhagat Jan. Naamdev, Jaideo, Kabir and Trilochan got delivered and all sins of Chamaar Ravidaas jee were washed away. All those who got into Gurmukh Naam, got delivered and all their sins were washed away.)

Again please notice the force of Gurmukh Naam in the 3rd Pankiti above. In the first two Pankitis Guru Sahib explains that with Naam, Bhagats were saved but in the third Pankiti Guru Sahib, in order to avoid any doubts, clearly says that whoever got engaged in Gurmukh Naam were saved.

Now the question remains, how did Bhagats before Guru Nanak Sahib get saved? The answer is that all we are told is that they were saved and they were saved through Satguru jee. How Satguru jee managed this, is not for us to worry. We just need to believe and have faith that these Bhagats were saved by Satguru jee and no one else.

Giani Gurdit Singh jee has proved beyond doubt that the Bhagat Sahibaan whose Baani appears in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee were contemporaries of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee and they became Sikhs of Guru Sahib. Only their Baani written after they became Sikhs of Guru Sahib, has been included in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

Giani Gurdit Singh jee, as per his own words, had Asheervaad of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. Bhai Sahib in clear words instructed him to dedicate his life to writing on Gurmat. When Giani jee asked how he would manage without working. Bhai Sahib blessed him by saying that he would have no money problem and he did not need to work. Guru Sahib would take care of his needs if he did Sewa of Panth. When we met Giani jee, many years ago, he was sitting in a house worth millions and he had not worked all his life. He had just done sewa of Panth by writing on Gurmat. Guru Sahib is Great. I would say that his best book is his book on Bhagat Baani history.

If Guru Sahib wills, this Daas will write a detailed article on the Bhagat Sahibaan and their Baani, in the coming days.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh

Guru Piarao, Just by Uttering and listening "GUR_SABAD---Waheguru (Gurmanter), we can enter our own Nijj Ghar (Dasam Duar). Then listening Sehaj Dhun in Nijj-Garh (in Sunn Smadh) will take ONE to Saccha Mehl via Naad, That leads to Parkash- Suchh. So, Need to do Simran day and night. Take benefit of being a HUMAN BEING.

ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਸਚਿ ਰਹੈ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥

ਨਉ ਦਰਵਾਜੇ ਕਾਇਆ ਕੋਟੁ ਹੈ ਦਸਵੈ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਰਖੀਜੈ ॥
ਬਜਰ ਕਪਾਟ ਨ ਖੁਲਨੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਖੁਲੀਜੈ ॥
ਅਨਹਦ ਵਾਜੇ ਧੁਨਿ ਵਜਦੇ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਣੀਜੈ ॥
ਤਿਤੁ ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਚਾਨਣਾ ਕਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਮਿਲੀਜੈ ॥
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fate.....h.