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Sikhi and Children via Medical Treatment

Posted by kaurrr_ 
What is Sikhi's take on using IVF and other medical treatments to have a child when can't be done naturally? Should Sikh's just take the inability as Guru Sahib's Will and not move forward with using medical procedures?
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In vitro fertilization or IVF is the process of taking the eggs from the ovaries using a small needle and fertilizing them with sperm in a specialized lab. After fertilization happens, the eggs develop into embryos. Three to five days later, the specialist re-implants the embryos back into the uterus.

In other words, it could even be sperm donated by sperm donors. Which means technically the couple are not conceiving the child. This could be counted as a kurehit.

I think it is better to accept Vaheguru's Will, rather than oppose it.
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For IVF, you can use the spouses sperm as well. So it is not a kurehit.

Science is watever God allows humans to discover of his creation.

One should not reject science or technology by saying its not natural or not in hukam

Lets not be like ISIS who try to control the world and change it to follow Gods hukam. Like they think God does not want isreal to exist (according to their stories) so they try to destroy it. Or that gays are unnatural and kill them. They r being foolish, if God did not want something, it would not be.

God is not such a weakling who needs humans help to implement his hukam

All that is happening, all advances being made are hukam. Otherwise wat power do humans have to discover and build technologies.
Also, God is kind. He is letting us discover these technologies cuz we need them. Like many more woman are having PCOS which is imbalanced hormones which make them infertile. Also in most socities, women are having children later in age like 30s and 40s. So they can only be preganant with help like IVF. Also do to science, more ppl with health issues are surviving, which increases the chance of passing on these issues to children. So more and more society is made up of unhealthy ppl. So we need science to make up for their health issues.
Also, humans are making progress in outer space travel. It is also a kindness of God. As population increases, we will need more space, not just to live, but to farm. To sightsee,

God is also letting us create more jobs as the ones from past are going away. Such as geneticist, plastic surgeons, stem cell researchers, ivf specialists.

Science is not a cure all. If god wants, even with all the best medicine, a simple disease is not cured. But if god wants, even a stage 4 cancer can heal at Harmandar Sahib.

Also as science is fixing old diseases, God is creating new ones. Auto immune diseases, lupus, Aids, crohns,

So dont think technology can ever outsmart God. Do not fear technology.

Ofc, not all technology is good, like in the furure if we can design our babies using genetics, should we?
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How does pointing out that sperm from sperm donors is used compare to "becoming like ISIS"?

"Like they think God does not want isreal to exist (according to their stories) so they try to destroy it."

First of all, if you wanted to discuss the illegal occupation of so-called "israel" by those illegal aliens who call themselves "israelis", you could've started a new thread. What you're saying is simply mirroring the repeated one sided doctrines taught in schools. You're not thinking on your own whether or not "israel" should exist.
It wasn't ISIS that first started to speak against "israel". Israel has been a controversial state from day 1. They were illegally moved there to Palestine after the jewish holocaust of WW2. They illegally seized the country of Palestine from Palestinians and have been illegally occupying Palestine ever since and calling it "israel". They continue to carry out atrocious, heinous and gross human rights violations against Palestinians, like the recent deadly shooting which killed 50 Palestinians and left thousands of Palestinians injured. Are you going to lay a blind eye to that?
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In IVF, the wives eggs and the husbands sperm is used. Not sperm from a sperm bank.

Isreal existance has been cruel and could be bad. And palestinians have every right to fight for their homeland as it was unjustly taken from them.
But some religions like Muslims say that since Jewish people killed Jesus, they are cursed to wander the earth and never have a homeland. Thats why they think isreal must be destroyed to fullfill Gods curse. Which is delusional. Cuz God doea not need humans to fulfill his desires.
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I am sorry, but we may also give a thought on adopting children of Saheed Singhs.
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Israel has the same reason the exist as the reason why Sikhs want Khalsa Raj in Punjab.

While both sides have done wrongs, the modern day media is very biased against Israel in recent news.
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"Israel has the same reason the exist as the reason why Sikhs want Khalsa Raj in Punjab."

Who's land do you think "Israel" belonged to? The land is actually Palestine. Arabs lived there. No Jews. Then WW1 began. The British were losing. A terrorist organisation called Zionism gave Britain an opportunity to win the war. They said if you give us Palestine we will bring America into this war. The Balfour Declaration was then signed.

Britain then invaded ("Colonised") Palestine. Jews then immigrated. Palestine rights soon began to be removed slowly. British and Jews killed Palestinians who opposed and rebelled against this injustice. Soon after, when the British empire ended the British soldiers left. Since then Britain and America have funded Israel with weapons, support their campaign to oppress and kill Palestinians, to completely own Palestine and make it into a Israel state. Israelis have constantly and continued to kill over thousands of Palestinians, including children even up to today. And Britain and American continue to support them.

Do not compare the terrorism of Israelis to Sikhs wanting land of their own in Punjab. Sikhs want it for justice because they have no equal rights just like Palestinians do not.
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Bhenji started this thread to find answer to her queries.

And as usual, the topic got digressed to israel, palestine and what not. Sometime I think, this is the very reason Sikhs can't find solutions to their problems. It takes fraction of seconds to loose their focus from the topic and go in some weird unrelated direction and discussion.

If required, kindly, open separate thread and don't dilute the original thread. In future, if someone require answer to similar question, as in the original thread, then it will be easy for them to refer to the replies. If the thread becomes a mess then it wastes lot of time and energy.
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Who's land do you think "Israel" belonged to?

Simple History. It belonged to the Jews.

There aren't ancient walls with Hebrew carved on them for no reason.
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Apologies to the topic starter for going off topic.

Nothing belongs to anyone. The Jews that immigrated to Palestine did not originate there before living in Germany, maybe their long forgotten ancestors did 1000 years ago. But not the current Jews. In addition to this, there is a belief that the current Jews that live in Palestine originated from Khazar, not from the original Jews who were dark-skinned. Khazar people adopted the religion Judaism.

Your mentality in supporting the Israeli Government and their actions is like a Dusht, they are an oppressive Government and have been from the start. If Sikhs removed the rights of others, oppressed them and MURDERED them for the sake of land I would wish death on all the “Sikhs” involved.

You cannot compare these people to the Gursikhs that fought for their freedom in 1984 (before and after) as they were innocent and not oppressive.
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