Kulbir Singh Wrote:
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> Hirda is ten fingers above Naabhi. In normal
> language Hirda and ਮਨ are considered the same
> but in Gurmat mystical world, Hirda is a place
> just above the Naabhi. When the Kanwal which is
> lying upside-down, becomes straight, then the Jyot
> i.e. Charan Kamal of Vaheguru jee appear over
> there. At this time the ਮਨ settles in this
> area i.e. in the Hirda or in the Naabh Kanwal.
Bhai Kulbir Singh jeeo -- where did u get this info of hirdaa is ten fingers above naabha please???
>
> ਸੋ ਸ਼ਬਦ, ਇਸ ਬਿਧ ਕਮਾਇਆ
> ਹੋਇਆ ਸ਼ਬਦ, ਆਪਣੇ ਨਿਜ
> ਘਰ ਦਸਮ ਦੁਆਰ ਅੰਤਰ
> ਰਹਿ ਕੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ
> ਜੋਤਿ ਦਾ ਤੱਤ ਲਖਤਾ
> ਬਣਾਉਣ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਰਥ ਹੋ
> ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ
>
> So does this mean that mind settles at hirdaa
> centre while Naam stays in Dasam Duar?
>
> The Jyot Roopi Shabad resides in Sachkhand and in
> the Dasam Duaar which is the Duaara from where one
> can have remote access to Sachkhand. Once one
> reaches this stage of finding Shabad in Dasam
> Duaar i.e. once one discovers Dasam Duaar, then
> one is able to see Jyot in Tribhavan i.e.
> everywhere.
>
> It's futile to discuss such lofty principles of
> Gurmat Rahasaad. It's best to do Kamaaee and
> experience all this. Guru Sahib Kirpa karan.
>
I disagree it's futile - may be you should rephrase that surely if one is asking then one may be interested why the hell would it be futile? how do you know if one is asking they one day may do enough kamai to reach that stage or improve from their current situation?
Futile i agree is only if one has experienced it and discusses it - and mostly people who do don't discuss it either. But to progress there is no harm in discussing at all.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰਬਚਨਕਮਾਵਣੇਸਚਾਏਹੁਵੀਚਾਰੁ॥
- discussing it will enable someone to start somewhere at a bare minimum or begin to understand what Gursikhs who attained it their jeevanies lifestyle and read more about them, we all know too well it will not bring avastha.