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re incarnation - who goes thru it

Posted by ns44 
re incarnation - who goes thru it
November 12, 2012 01:58PM
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We are of - MIND - BODY - SOUL ... according to Gurbani when we pass away which one takes and goes thru re incarnation -

I reckon the Mind -- as the body goes to dust. -

Soul unless algined with the mind will not got waheguru --?

please do vichaar - with Gurbani pankits if possible.

Many many many Thanks veer/Bhen jeeos - in advance.
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Guru Piaarae Jio

One word answer to your questions "re incarnation - who goes thru it" seems "Manmukh" (goes through it) Further it seems,

When one runs the life's marathon with the cardinals -ਇਹੀਤੇਰਾਅਉਸਰੁਇਹਤੇਰੀਬਾਰ ॥ Eihee Thaeraa Aousar Eih Thaeree Baar || One continues ਕਰਉਜਤਨਜੇਹੋਇਮਿਹਰਵਾਨਾ ॥Karo Jathan Jae Hoe Miharavaanaa || because one's Goroo gets one acrosee - ਬਾਹਪਕੜਿਗੁਰਿਕਾਢਿਆਸੋਈਉਤਰਿਆਪਾਰਿ ॥੩॥ Baah Pakarr Gur Kaadtiaa Soee Outhariaa Paar ||3||

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Re: re incarnation - who goes thru it
November 13, 2012 11:39AM
Thank you veer jeeo - therefore my understanding - manmukh is one who follows the mind - therefore the mind of a manmukh goes thru it - is this correct?
and
soul - joins back to the almighty where it came from
body - goes back to dust earth.

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੀ ਇਸੁ ਮਨ ਕਉ ਮਲੁ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਾਲਾ ਹੋਆ ਸਿਆਹ ॥: The scum (i.e., impurity) of so many births is attached to this mind and it has become pitch black (sggs 651).

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਸਕਤੀ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਸੀਉ ॥ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਪੰਚ ਤਤ ਕੋ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਲੇ ਜਉ ਉਨਮਨਿ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਤਉ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਕੀ ਬਾਤੈ ਕਹੈ ॥੩੩॥: Ih manu sakti ih manu seeou. Ih mnu panj tatt ko jeeou...: (By identifying with Maya) This mind also becomes Maya, (by identifying with God) this mind also becomes God, and (due to misperception, by identifying itself) with the body of the five-elements, this mind is the Jeeva (ਸਰੀਰ ਰੂਪ, ਜੀਵ ਰੂਪ...). When this mind is restrained (channeled and guided Upward), and remains in the State of Beatitude (Turiya, Enlightenment, etc.), it describes the three worlds. ||33|| (sggs 342).

ਮਨੁ ਚੰਚਲੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥: Manu chanchal bidh naahee jaanai: The fickle mind does not know the way (sggs 415).

solution and only one :

ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰੈ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਸੰਤਹੁ ਏਹ ਪੂਜਾ ਥਾਇ ਪਾਈ ॥੫॥: Sabadi marai manu nirmal santahu eh poojaa thaai paaee ||5||: By dying in the Shabad, the mind becomes Immaculate. O Sants! Such worship is meaningful ||5||. (sggs 910).


mind goes thru it ? -- come Gursikhe - further vichaars required please.
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APeToEU - As per this one's evolving understanding "By dying in the Shabad, the mind becomes Immaculate" it is better to use the word Imbued/drenched/Coloured in GurSbd for "ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰੈ" instead of "By dying in the Shabad" because "ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਲੇ ਜਉ ਉਨਮਨਿ ਰਹੈ ". Mhla 1 clarifies this as ਸਾਕਤੁ ਲੋਭੀ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਮੂੜਾ ॥Saakath Lobhee Eihu Man Moorraa || ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੈ ਮਨੁ ਰੂੜਾ ॥੩॥Guramukh Naam Japai Man Roorraa ||3|| AnG 415. It seems ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ=ਉਨਮਨਿ (ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣਿ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ Guramukh Thribhavan Sojhee Hoee ||) Further Gurkirpa, Wisdom Dawns that turns the understanding Gurmuikh. ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਰਿਦੈ ਵਸਾਇ ਤੂ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਨਾਸੁ ॥Har Charan Ridhai Vasaae Thoo Kilavikh Hovehi Naas || ਪੰਚ ਭੂ ਆਤਮਾ ਵਸਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਤਾ ਤੀਰਥ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੨॥Panch Bhoo Aathamaa Vas Karehi Thaa Theerathh Karehi Nivaas ||2|| AnG 491, here again ਆਤਮਾ ਵਸਿ doesnt seem to mean control of atama, it likely is dwelling along, companionship - thus "soul - joins back to the almighty where it came from" thus Soul seem not to come or go anywhere. Seeking one gets the company Gurmuikh /Gurcharn/Atma as the absolute blissfulness, Gurkirpa.Sharing to better evolve...in company of GurSnGT

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