ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥

ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥

I recently read an arth of this Tukh. While trying to show the mehma of how great Naam is the translation done of the tukh is:

ਊਚੇ(ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ) ਨਾਲੋਂ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਨਾਉ ਊਚਾ ਹੈ

What this arth is saying is that Vaheguru's naam is so great that it is even more ਊਚਾ than Vaheguru. Is this arth right?

What this arth is saying is that Vaheguru's naam is so great that it is even more ਊਚਾ than Vaheguru. Is this arth right

If this is so then it means that Vahegurus naam is different from Vaheguru.

Can this be so?

Bhul chuk maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

One can look at this quote from Gurbanee

ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੫ ॥ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਆਰਾਧਣਾ ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜਪਿ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਨੇਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੇਖਣਾ ਸ੍ਰਵਣੀ ਸੁਨਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥

One should try to understand the meaning of ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ .


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

ਇਸ ਪੰਕਤੀ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਉਚੇ ਤੋਂ ਵੀ ਉਚਾ ਹੈ ਭਾਵ ਬਹੁਤ ਉਚਾ ਹੈ। This does not make sense that Naam is greater than Vaheguru. Akal Purakh's Naam is greater than great i.e. very great.

Gurbani is Agam Agaadh Bodh.

Kulbir Singh

This means that in this Quote the word ਊਚੇ is not the reference for Vaheguru .

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

One can see another similar Quote from Gurbanee as
ਕੋਇ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ॥ ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ਭਗਵੰਤ

It is thus clear that the meaning of ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ or ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ is Greatest over Greats

The exact interpretation will depend on the reference meaning of the word ਊਚੇ.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.s.Bagga

For nore clarity on the interpretation of the Quote as....

ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਊਚਾ ਥਾਉ ॥ ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਏਵਡੁ ਊਚਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ ਕਉ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਇ

One can give a thinking to the reference of the word ਊਚੇ in the complete Quote
It becomes clear that the reference in the quote is ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ

The reference ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ is for Vaheguru,Akalpurakh .

Now one can understand the correct Arth of the Pankati ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ .

I find that the interpretation as mentioned by R Singh ji seems to be correct.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.s.Bagga

Bagga jee,

ਊਚੇ Does not necessarily have to refer to the same time everywhere that it is used. For example, if ਊਚੇ is always to mean Vaheguru then in the pankti ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ਭਗਵੰਤ you are saying that Bhagvant is greater than Vaheguru. How silly is that? How can Vaheguru be greater than Vaheguru?

Also it is not sensible that Naam is greater than Vaheguru. Naam is of Vaheguru, and Naam is Vaheguru. There is no distinction. Naam and Naami are nirlep and one in the same.

The interpretation by Bhai Kulbir Singh seems to be most accurate.

Preetam Singh

PREETAM SINGH JI,

In one of my posts I have already made it clear as


The exact interpretation will depend on the reference meaning of the word
ਊਚੇ
In one quote : ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥ The reference for the word ਊਚੇ is for Vaheguru,Akalpurakh

Whereas in the Quote ਊਚੇ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ਭਗਵੰਤ The reference for the word ਊਚੇ is not for Vaheguru/Akalpurakh

Refering to your views as
There is no distinction. Naam and Naami are nirlep and one in the same.

My views strongly differ here as. NAAMi and NAAMu are same for a SINGLE SPECIFIC WORD being refered as
SABADu other than word Vaheguru..I know this may appear different view to many.But one should try to understand
the real facts from Gurbanee.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.s.Bagga