ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ

ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥
Naapaak Paak Kar Hadhoor Hadheesaa Saabath Soorath Dhasathaar Siraa ||12||

Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head. ||12||
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I have a question about this pankiti. The word ਹਦੀਸਾ is singular or plural. Should it be with bindi sound with the letter SASSA. Anybody who has better information about MUSLIM culture, can guide please. Do the muslim brothers use this word as plural or not. I mean do they say HADEESAN, if they want to say it as plural.

The word ਹਦੀਸਾ derives from the word Hadis aka Hadith. The hadith is a collection of oral traditions recited my follower of Muhmmand. The hadith is a collection about the life of Muhmmad well after his death. Many scholars of Islam detected many of the oral acconts contradicted Gurbani and they omitted these accounts. The hadith is similar to our Suraj Parkaash, but unfortunately we have not composed a body of scholars to test these stories in light of Gurbani.

The word hadeesa does not include bindi in sassa, and I dont think the word hadessa has bindi at the kanna because the word hadis is already plural since it means recorded oral traditions. Perhaps the kanna was added for poetic reasons to rhyme with sira.

My understanding is that the word ਹਦੀਸਾ is SINGULAR.

The word refers to a Book containing ਹਦੀਸ................

The word ਹਦੀਸ.................. is PLURAL

One should grasp a very peculiar pattern of Noun Words in three sistinct Form as one
can take a Note like the word Gobindu/Gobind and Gobindaa.
All the Noun words can be seen in this fashion thruout Gurbanee.


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga..

ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ

Is ਕਰਿ in this a dehli deepak between ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ and ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ?

Veer Sukhdeep Singh Ji, if HADEES is a collection or a book; then how it can not be plural to denote more than one collections or more than one books? As if we have REHATNAMA as singular and REHATNAME as plural. KIndly give a further thought, pl.

Ultimately, we want to trace the possibility that ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ and ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ are two different HADEES and these two
ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ (Hadeesan) help make ਨਾਪਾਕ into ਪਾਕੁ.
And these meanings are different from the one given on the net. (i.e. in first message)

Veer rsingh Ji, if we consider the meanings as above in this message, ਕਰਿ should be read with
ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ, so it will not serve as dehli deepak.

When doing Paath of this Maaroo Solha, naturally bindi Uchaaran is done on the Kanna of ਹਦੀਸਾ.

Bhai MB Singh jee seems to be correct as far as plurality of ਹਦੀਸਾ is concerned.

Gurbani is Agam Agaadh Bodh.

Kulbir Singh

My understanding of this Pankiti is as follows:

ਨਾਪਾਕ ਨੂੰ ਪਾਕ ਕਰ, ਰਬ ਦੀ ਹਜ਼ੂਰੀ ਨੂੰ ਹਦੀਸਾਂ ਬਣਾ ਤੇ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤ ਰੱਖ ਤੇ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਜਾ।

ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਹਦੀਸਾਂ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਮੰਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਪਾਕ ਤੋਂ ਪਾਕ ਹੋਇਆ ਅਨੁਮਾਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਪਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਰਬ ਦੀ ਹਜ਼ੂਰੀ ਮੰਨਣੀ, ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤ ਰਖਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਜਾਉਣੀ ਰੂਪੀ ਹਦੀਸਾਂ ਮੰਨਣੀਆਂ ਹਨ।

Gurbani is Agam Agaadh Bodh.

Kulbir Singh

Veer Kulbir Singh Ji, is it possible that in ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ, ਹਦੂਰਿ is adjective of ਹਦੀਸਾ; thereby meaning that those ਹਦੀਸਾ which are approved by ਹਦੂਰਿ himself. In case of muslims, these are those approved by Hazrat Mohammad himself. As if we say Sri Mukhwak----------------------

Hadith Qudsi: Hadith Qudsi (or Sacred Hadith) is a sub-category of hadith which are sayings of Muhammad. Muslims regard the Hadith Qudsi as the words of God (Arabic: Allah), repeated by Muhammad and recorded on the condition of an isnad. According to as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani, the Hadith Qudsi differ from the Quran in that the former are "expressed in Muhammad's words", whereas the latter are the "direct words of God".

Veer Ji the above para from Wikipedia shows, that how the adjective about authenticity with HADEES is used and is important.

MB SINGH Ji,

Your point that ਹਦੂਰਿ is adjective of ਹਦੀਸਾ; seems to be very appropriate.
I also went thru the History of Hadith and you are right .

So in this context the word ਹਦੀਸਾ; can be NOUN and should be SINGULAR
as my understanding goes.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Daas

Prakash.S.Bagga

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Veer Sukhdeep Singh Ji, if HADEES is a collection or a book; then how it can not be plural to denote more than one collections or more than one books? As if we have REHATNAMA as singular and REHATNAME as plural. KIndly give a further thought, pl.

Veer Ji my simple understanding is Hadees is already plural because it refers to a collection of oral stories. Here is the definition of hadith/hadis according to wikipedia

A ḥadīth (Arabic: حديث‎, /ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/[2]) (plural: hadith, hadiths, or aḥādīth) is a saying or an act or tacit approval or disapproval ascribed either validly or invalidly to the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[3]

source: [en.wikipedia.org]

I think the word hadith is singular but the words ahadith and hadis are plural. I have read that the S makes it plural. I remember reading something along these lines when I took an intro. Arabic course in college. For this reason I dont think their is a bindi in the kanna of hadisa. I can be wrong though, perhaps Bhai Methab SIngh Ji who is more fluent in Arabic and Islam can comment ?