Prakash on Beach

Prakash On Beach

Dhun Dhun Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharajh's Parkash On The Beach?

Gursikho, What Are Your Veechar On This?

VahegurooJeeKaKhalsa, VahegurooJeeKiFateh

Dass

Amanjot Singh

I though pad ched wasn't our Guru in the first place?

Firstly our True Guru is Larreevaar Guru, that doesn't mean we don't show respect to pad chhed saroops. Gurbani is Gurbani, no matter what.

Secondly, this is huge beadbi done by what looks like the 3HO. These people have no regards for Maryada and Rehat, you can see videos of them dancing and clapping to gurbani and doing more man mat. In my views they aren't even Gursikhs. They have created their own sect in which they follow no maryada or rehat. They are worse then Nihangs when it comes to Bahman Vaad. They openly do Pooja of shiv ling and and do idol worship.
Below are some pictures of their manmat.

What's the point of being "Sikhs" when you still want to partake in practices of the west, like getting married at a beach?

A Gurooduaaraa Sahib isn't good enough for some people.

At times like these, I'm rather thankful for the existence of padd-ched. Rather than going to the court of the Ultimate king of kings to perform such a ceremony, people are now shameless enough to do the opposite. Imagine this scenario, a beach, monay and 3HO with a Laridar Saroop of Maharaaj ji

Just out of curiosity, what is shameless and wrong about a beach? Didn't God create beaches? Aren't beaches part of nature?
If one does Parkaash on a beach, on a mountain, in a desert, in a forest,....so what??? What is the worst that could happen?

I am not in support of 3h0 or the maryada they follow. However,
There is nothing wrong with doing Parksaah outside .
Purtan SInghs use to do parkaah in the Jungle, and in India
Parkaash is often done in open fields. In the West, parkaash
is often done out doors during Nagar Kirtans.

One obviosuly wouldnt do parkaah at a beach were the general
public is around, since they dress half naked. In the pictures above
it seems like parkaash was done in an isolated area away from the general
public.

TOTAL MANMAT

Guru Sahib rather pulls the people from beaches to its SHARN. These People took the Guru to the Beach.


Crowd aside, what would they do if there is a huge wind storm all of a sudden ? Where does the Sand underneath go ? Will they be quick enough to do Sukh Asan quick enough to carry Guru Sahib. Daas is totally disagreed with giving so called Western Touches to the Sikhism. Its totally different than puratan Sikhs doing the Prakash in Pandals outside houses, was due to shortage of space in the houses for the Bigger Programmes.

Vaheguru jee ka Khalsa Vaheguru jee kee fateh!

There is no problem with doing parkash outside, as long as you protect from storms which isnt hard to do, like sukhdeep Singh said, Singhs used to do parkash and even hold akkhand paths in jungles. Extreme situations can happen anywhere, indoors there are chances of fire, but that does not mean we cannot keep saroops in houses

If we look at this old painting it shows Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to Guru Sahib outside Darbar Sahib. Parkash of Guru Sahib can be performed outdoors as long as the area is clean, appropriate and weather is calm.

Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji

ਕਲਿਆਈਕੁਤੇਮੁਹੀਖਾਜੁਹੋਇਆਮੁਰਦਾਰਗੁਸਾਈ॥
ਰਾਜੇਪਾਪਕਮਾਵਦੇਉਲਟੀਵਾੜਖੇਤਕਉਖਾਈ॥
ਪਰਜਾਅੰਧੀਗਿਆਨਬਿਨਕੂੜਕੁਸਤਿਮੁਖਹੁਅਲਾਈ॥
ਚੇਲੇਸਾਜਵਜਾਇਦੇਨਚਨਿਗੁਰੂਬਹੁਤੁਬਿਧਿਭਾਈ॥
ਸੇਵਕਬੈਠਨਿਘਰਾਂਵਿਚਗੁਰਉਠਘਰੀਤਿਨਾੜੇਜਾਈ॥
ਕਾਜੀਹੋਏਰਿਸਵਤੀਵਢੀਲੈਕੇਹਕਗਵਾਈ॥
ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਪੁਰਖੈਦਾਮਹਿਤਭਾਵੈਆਇਕਿਥਾਊਜਾਈ॥
ਵਰਤਿਆਪਾਪਸਭਸਜਗਮਾਂਹੀ॥30॥



O God! in Kalyug , the mentality of the Jiv has become like the mouth of dog which always seeks the dead to eat.
The Kings are sinning as if the protective fence were itself devouring the (crop in the) field.
Bereft of knowledge, the blind people are uttering falsehood.
Now the gurus are dancing variously to the tunes played by the disciples.
The pupils now sit at home and the teachers go their abodes.
Qazis enjoy bribes and getting the same they have lost their high regards and position.
Man and woman Love each other for riches, may they come from anywhere.
The sin has become ubiquitous in the whole world.(30)

Prakash of Guru Sahib all depends on Satkaar. In some cases, there may be less Satkaar while doing Prakash inside and at other times, there may be more Satkaar outside.

Doing Prakash outside has some disadvantages e.g. the congregation is subject to laws of nature. It may rain or blowing wind may bring dust or garbage. If doing Prakash outside, precautions should be kept in order to ensure that Maharaj jee's Be-adbi is not done if blowing wind brings sand or garbage. In case of rain, there should be some intazaam (preparation) to face such situation. Maharaj jee's Asthaan still should be duly covered with Tamboo or some temporary setup.

As for doing Prakash in jungles, we very well know that it was done in majboori. Whenever Maharaj jee's Prakash is done, utmost care should be kept to keep Guru Sahib's Satkaar.

Kulbir Singh

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I dont think anyone is against doing Parkash outside, only the reasons for doing so.

1) Is it because Darbaar is not as 'beautiful' or 'atmospheric' as say, a beach?
2) Is it so we can cater for those who don't like/don't feel comfortable in Gurughars?
3) Is it because we want to make it more like western ceremonies?
4) Is it so we can get away with practices that wouldn't be permissable in a Gurughar?

I feel if your reasoning includes the above points then it is manmat, maaf karna.

What does everyone else think?

The fact is, there not even that many Gurduwara's in the west that even have parkash of laridhar saroops. What if someone wanted to have a wedding, where would they go? What if their houses were not big enough? A beach is no different from a jungle, or anyother place, dirt is dirt. No matter what reason puratan Singh's did it for, the fact is they did it, so it is allowed. We live in the 21st century, there are so many steps you can take to ensure against extreme circumstances, of rain, wind, snow etc. The bottom line is satkar, if you can do parkash while keeping satkar, making sure no beadbi be is done, protected from extreme situations, then there is nothing wrong with it. If proper marayada is followed and you have made sure there no chance for beadbi, what is the problem?

Look at the pictures. There is no protection from wind and sand or even water for Guru Jee. Imagine if a gust of wind or a storm came, Guru Jee's saroop would be completely ruined. If you are going to do parkaash outside at least make better preparations to protect Guru Jee from potential disrespect.

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Look at the pictures. There is no protection from wind and sand or even water for Guru Jee. Imagine if a gust of wind or a storm came, Guru Jee's saroop would be completely ruined. If you are going to do parkaash outside at least make better preparations to protect Guru Jee from potential disrespect.

nothing in this or the next world can do disrespect to guru sahib, how can the wind, sand or water do disrespect to guru sahib when guru sahib exists in the wind, sand and water and many other things?

Guru Sahib doesn't need us to protect him, who are we to say that we can protect Almighty God?

Whatever happens is what Guru Sahib wants to happen b/c everything happens in their hukam.

I hope nobody interprets my initial response as though Im supporting marriages on a
beach. The original question was is it ok to do parkaash on beach. I believe when there
are special circumstances and there is no alternative then Parkaash can be done in outside areas as long as there
is some type of suitable shelter. WHen Purtan SInghs did parkaash in jungles they still provided some
type of suitable shelter made out of natural resources.

In the modern world, outside parkaash has to be done with careful consideration. After carefully looking
at the picture of the wedding it seems like the beach is not in isolated/secluded area from the general
public. In the picture their is a sign that reads " Exotic Oasis" so more then likely the wedding took
place in the midst of the general public. There is much beadbi that goes on in beaches. People
are dressed half naked, alcohol drinks are consumed, and people are smoking. Gursikhs are not suppose
to be around such areas plus Sri AKal Takht maryada condemns the practice of taking GUru Jis saroop in
such manmat places. This is a Western style wedding in which the people have chose to marry on the beach
out of their own pleasure/convenience and not Guru Sahibs convenience. This practice is no different
then the confused Punjabis who get married in party halls.

I think the beach seems like a beautiful place to do Prakash. But it should be done with full proper maryada.