meaning of this tukk ?

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ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਸਰਨਿ ਜੇ ਪਰੇ ਸੁ ਲਏ ਬਚਾਇ ॥ ਔਰ ਨ ਉਪਜਾ ਦੂਸਰ ਜਗ ਭਛਿਯੋ ਸਭੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥੩੬੬॥
ਜੋ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ ਕੀ ਨਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਪਰ ਅਪਨੋ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਅਸਿਧੁਜ ਲੇਤ ਬਚਾਇ ॥੩੬੭॥

What is the meaning of the tukk in bold ?

This means that no one else has appeared in this world who can finish whole world.

This is from charitra 404, charitropakhayan. In the same charitra word KalKa also
comes to mean waheguru.

ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਸਰਨਿ ਜੇ ਪਰੇ ਸੁ ਲਏ ਬਚਾਇ ॥ ਔਰ ਨ ਉਪਜਾ ਦੂਸਰ ਜਗ ਭਛਿਯੋ ਸਭੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥੩੬੬॥

ਜੋ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਪੈ ਗਏ ਸੋ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਬਚਾ ਲਏ। ਹੋਰ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਜਗ ਵਿਚ ਐਸਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੋ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਵਾਂਗ ਬਚਾ ਸਕੇ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਜੋ ਵੀ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਨੇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਭਛਿਆ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਭਾਵ ਮੁਕਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਹੈ ਭਾਵ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਸਿਵਾਏ ਸਭ ਨੂੰ ਮੌਤ ਆਉਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਇਸੇ ਕਰਕੇ ਹੋਰ ਕੋਈ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਚਾ ਸਕਦਾ।

Kulbir Singh

I think the correct pangti for the verse

ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਸਰਨਿ ਜੇ ਪਰੇ ਸੁ ਲਏ ਬਚਾਇ ॥ ਔਰ ਨ ਉਪਜਾ ਦੂਸਰ ਜਗ ਭਛਿਯੋ ਸਭੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥੩੬੬॥

is

ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲਕੀ ਜੇ ਸਰਨਿ ਪਏ ਸੁ ਲਏ ਬਚਾਇ ॥ ਔਰ ਨ ਉਪਜਾ ਦੂਸਰ ਜਗ ਭਛਿਯੋ ਸਭੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥੩੬੬॥


The verses here
ਜੋ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ ਕੀ ਨਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਪਰ ਅਪਨੋ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਅਸਿਧੁਜ ਲੇਤ ਬਚਾਇ ॥੩੬੭॥

Meaning one who worship weapons keeps them in their hands. The same way Mata Kali
would switch from Khargh (swords) to bows .

ਅਸੁਰ ਅਮਿਤ ਰਨ ਬਾਨ ਚਲਾਏ ॥ ਨਿਰਖਿ ਖੜਗਧੁਜ ਕਾਟਿ ਗਿਰਾਏ ॥ ਬੀਸ ਸਹਸ੍ਰ ਅਸੁਰ ਪਰ ਬਾਨਾ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਧੁਜ ਛਾਡੇ ਬਿਧਿ ਨਾਨਾ ॥੩੭੧॥

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ਜੋ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ ਕੀ ਨਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਬਨਾਇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਪਰ ਅਪਨੋ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਅਸਿਧੁਜ ਲੇਤ ਬਚਾਇ ॥੩੬੭॥

Meaning one who worship weapons keeps them in their hands. The same way Mata Kali
would switch from Khargh (swords) to bows .

Sukhdeep Singh jeeo:

Two questions:

1. Where does it say in the above Pankiti that we should worship weapons?
2. How do you worship weapons, in Gurmat?


The meanings are very simple of the above Pankitis - One who worships ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ everyday, on such person ਅਸਿਧੁਜ keeps hand and this way saves him.

The word ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ does not mean weapon but means one who carries ਅਸਿ i.e. Kirpan i.e. Vaheguru.

Lastly, according to the Chaal and meaning, the correct padchhed seems to be ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਸਰਨਿ; rest Guru Sahib knows better.

Kulbir Singh

Bhai Sukhdeep singh ji

Correct word is ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ in this line.

Elsewhere you will find

ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਤਬ ਬਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰੇ ॥ ਦਾਨਵ ਏਕ ਏਕ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਬਹੁ ਉਪਜਿਤ ਰਨ ਭਏ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਸਾਮੁਹਿ ਸਿਧਏ ॥੨੯੩॥
and

ਕੇਤਿਕ ਸੁਭਟ ਪਾਵ ਤੇ ਰੋਪੈ ॥ ਲੈ ਲੈ ਖੜਗ ਨਗਨ ਕਰਿ ਧੋਪੈ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੁਪਿ ਸਸਤ੍ਰ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰੈ ॥ ਸਾਧ ਉਬਾਰਿ ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੩੨੧॥

Charitra 404, charitropakhayan

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1.Where does it say in the above Pankiti that we should worship weapons?

ਜੋ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ ਕੀ

Word Pooja here means to worship. You yourself has given a meaning no different
then what I have said. You stated

"One who worships ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ everyday, on such person ਅਸਿਧੁਜ keeps hand and this way saves him."


2. How do you worship weapons, in Gurmat?

This is a very controversial and complicated question. Every Takht ( place of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) which is adorned
according to Maryada has Shasters in them. When we bow to Guru Sahib we are also paying homage to shasters.


In Sikhi, one who is a shasterdhari Singh keeps Mata Kali bana. Meaning one wears blue bana and keeps
shasters at close hand all times. Those who worship the sword will be protected by the sword.
Refer to Uggardanti and Bansvalinama. Bhai Randhir Singh Ji did not question contents of Uggardanti.

Sukhdeep Singh jeeo,

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This is a very controversial and complicated question. Every Takht ( place of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) which is adorned according to Maryada has Shasters in them. When we bow to Guru Sahib we are also paying homage to shasters.

Respecting Shasters as coming from Guru Sahib or bowing your head to anything associated to Guru Sahib e.g. Nishan Sahib, Gurdwara Sahib building is different from worshiping. A Sikh only worships Guru Akal Purakh and no one else. Our Isht or the object of our worship is only Vaheguru. We worship Vaheguru jee through Gurmat which includes Naam and Gurbani.

We don't worship weapons or Nishan Sahib but we respect them. Even if the word "Pooja" is used for weapons, it means either respect or the word weapon there means Vaheguru e.g. Jai Teghan means Jai to Vaheguru.

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In Sikhi, one who is a shasterdhari Singh keeps Mata Kali bana.

To the best of my knowledge, Mata Kali does not wear any clothes as is evident from the picture below, so how can Khalsa be shown wearing Kali's Baana?

Kulbir Singh



Kulbir Singh

Bhai Sukhdeep Singh ji

I agree that central podium at all takhats is place for shashtars. Shashtras are placed there
and parkash of Sri guru Granth Sahib ji on the side.

But meaning of ਅਸਿਕੇਤੁ in the line under reference is Waheguru. Giani Narain Singh ji has defined
this word as God/parmatma whose flag bears sign of Kirpan.

There is symbolism involved here.Kirpan is symbol of God for sikhs.That is why we bow to bhagauti
which symbolises God.

Prof. Puran singh ji writes

Kal Kirpan - Salutation to the Sword

Prof Puran Singh

The Guru salutes for their sake the sword, the battle-axe, the arrow, and starts a creed in India in which weapons become symbols of divine worship.

He mounts guard over the Garden of Man laid by him, lest the wild beasts should enter again and uproot it, and turn it into a wilderness.

He replaces the idols of stone and the goddesses of mildewed old superstitions, by the flashing sword in the imagination of people: "Jai Tegham! Jai Tegham ".


Here is a unique group of men who have been given a Religion of Arms for freeing slaves and for protecting His Saints.

KAL KIRPAN



The Guru invokes the protection of Kal Kirpan, the "Time Sword" the "Death Sword" for protection of the ideal of the Khalsa embodied in hum an clay.
And by putting a sword in the hand of every slave in the Punjab, he makes him a free man by one draught of His sword -stirred, Word-born water of Simrin, Nam.
Such is Guru Gobind Singh.

The Khalsa in its group-manifestation, is like the splendour of a million naked swords. Its sight is truly awe-inspiring.
No one dare provoke the Khalsa's wrath.
But in the heart of the Khalsa is the Fountain of Hari-Nam.
Cut a Sikh and if his little heart the deep dove-coos of the Name of the Beloved are not heard, he is only fuel.
The Khalsa is sweet and refreshing like the crystal waters of the Ganga.
His presence is immortalizing.
He is a blessing in this desire-scorched desert of sense delusions!

"Spirit of the Sikh"

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By the way sikhs do not have any connection with kali devi. In the charitra under reference, word kalka comes at
some places but it is clear from the meaning that it is used for Akal Purakh.

Bhai Kulbir SIngh Ji,

Im sure you have visited historical gurdwaras in India.
You must have noticed when the Granthis do Ardas
they keep a big Sri Sahib in their hands. In the old days,
SInghs used to do parkaash of Sri Saihb recite Ardas/
Bir ras Bani such as Chandi Di Var.

According to SIkh Historians Giani Gian SIngh and Bhai Rattan SIngh Bhangu
Guru Sahib as a form of ardas recited CHandi Di Vaar with Sri Sahib in the hand
before preparing Amrit.

There is no harm in keeping Sri Sahib in hands and doing pooja ( respect ) of Sri Sahib. Bhai Sahib
Randhir SIngh Ji says Bibekee Singhs always give satkar to shasters. In the bani, Sri Chandi Di Vaar
Guru Sahib mentions how AKal Purakh guided the hands of Durga, Raam Chander, and Krishna. SImilarly
we do Benti to AKal pUrakh and ask him to guide our hands in times of strife . I dont see how this is not in
accordance to gurmat?

In regards to Mata Kali BaNa. This is mentioned in both
Bansvalinama and the bani "Uggardanti" . These verses are written in beautiful poetry
and the meaning is symbolic. Mata Kali BaNa means wearing BLue
BaNa and keeping multiple shasters at hand.

Many respected Gursikhs like BHai Sahib Bhai Randhir SIngh Ji did not
object to the contents contained in Uggardanti. Only modern day suspicous SIkhs
who are hindu phobic question such poetic verses.

Sukhdeep Singh jeeo,

Respect of Shasters is a must but worship in Gurmat is allowed only of Vaheguru jee through Naam and Gurbani.

If you feel there is more respect for Siri Sahib by taking it out of the case during Ardaas, then I have no qualms over this and there is nothing wrong in doing Ardaas with simply folded hands in humility.

Kulbir Singh

Just to clear things up Im not saying Ardas has to be performed with Sri Sahib outside of the sheath.
Im merely stating Puratan Gursikhs would often do ardas and recite bani with Sri Sahib
outside of the sheath before going into battle. Even today many Gursikhs continue this practice, and such
a practice has nothing to do with Hinduism.

Also, Inder SIngh I would never say Mata Kali has anything to do with SIkhi. All previous gods and goddesses have
nothing to do with Gurmat, and any Gursikh who worships any God by the one true God is not a Sikh. However, this
doesnt mean there names are used in Gurbani for symbolic reasons. Take the following poetic verses in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji


ਮੇਰੋ ਬਾਪੁ ਮਾਧਉ ਤੂ ਧਨੁ ਕੇਸੌ ਸਾਂਵਲੀਓ ਬੀਠੁਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਕਰ ਧਰੇ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਤੇ ਆਏ ਗਜ ਹਸਤੀ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਉਧਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
ਦੁਹਸਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਸਭਾ ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਅੰਬਰ ਲੇਤ ਉਬਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥੧॥
ਗੋਤਮ ਨਾਰਿ ਅਹਲਿਆ ਤਾਰੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਕੇਤਕ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
ਐਸਾ ਅਧਮੁ ਅਜਾਤਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਤਉ ਸਰਨਾਗਤਿ ਆਈਅਲੇ ॥੨॥੨॥

We all know these verses are in praise of WaaheGuru and not Krishna.

Bhai Sukhdeep singh ji

What i meant about kali devi was that it does not hold any divine status in sikhism.
Akal Purakh is supreme for us and these deities of Hinduism are creation of akal
purakh.Hindus consider them as absolute God but not sikhs.

If you read beginning of this charitra, it is written that all devi/devas were defeated
by asurs( Demons) and all perished in the warfare with demons. Then a girl rose
and Maha Kal ( waheguru) took weapons himself in her favour and defeated demons.