AKJ & Badal Siropa

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh!

This is just to clarify a few things about the thread about AKJ giving siropa to Badal as that topic is locked.

The Smagam was organised by Bhai Manjit Singh, but wasn't with the intention of being politically motivated. At first it may have been organised by Badal himself which would have made it even more politically motivated. However, Bhai Manjit Singh felt that it was best to organise it in this way and invites were sent to all sangat, in which Badal also chose to come.

It wasn't organised by Baldev Singh and the Jathedar of AKJ, Bh. Bakshish Singh was also there as you can see in the pics. [www.akj.org]

Most people would have gone in memory of Bhai Sahib and not the politics.

I think there are a couple of things here, but am a bit confused as to which what the exact problem seems to be. Is the problem with the concept of what is being done or with the fact that 'Badal' has made a contribution in memory of Bhai Sahib?

In respect of the first, I think we can all agree that Bhai Sahib's books are a wealth of undiscovered knowledge on many topics which he wrote from his own experiences and not like most other writers who aquire knowledge second hand. It is probably safe to say that Bhai Sahib has written a khajana which no other writer (except Guru Sahib) has. The establishment of the chair in his name at GNU, Amritsar will now allow further research into Bhai Sahib's life and literature, assisting in a wider recognition of his contrbution to Sikh panth and freedom movement of India. Not sure anyone other than the punjab govt can establish this?

Again with a memorial, in the very place Bhai Sahib was cremated and found so peaceful to mediate will hopefully inpire people around there to find out more about the history of their locality. It won't be a statue of any sort as already mentioned.

We are always complaining that the Punjab Govt never does anything for Sikhs, yet when they do something positive, we still aren't happy?
Giani Gurdit Singh (writer of book Mundavani) had a lot to do with getting Gianai Zail Singh to name Bhai Randhir Singh Nagar in Ludhiana after Bhai Sahib. Should we therefore boycott that as well because the congress govt who were resonsible for '84 gave that?

IMHO, in the last fifty years since Bhai Sahib's Akal Chalana it is unfortunate that his writings and those blessed places where he meditated for many years have been left neglected except for contrbutions from a number of gursikhs who have donated their dasvandh and more to these worthy causes and particpated actively in disributing this literature.

The Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Trust in not the sole property of anyone, but that of the sangat with the aim to propagate the values of a true gursikhi through the tat-gurmat ideals by worshiping the one lord through the message of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji & 10 Guru Sahibaan. Even the personal haveli (home) of Bhai Sahib in Narangwal (now serves as a Gurdwara), together with the tap-asthaan in Kumaar hatti and the BRS Trust in Ludhiana (serves as a school for underprivilaged children) has been donated for the sangat's use.

Anyway, let's not get tangled into nindia and picking faults in people and thier motives for contributions. I think this is great opportunity to tell the world who Bhai Sahib was and show what values guru sahib instilled in him, which we can all learn from and adopt into our jeevans.

"Sanjh kareejay gunaa kayree, shodd avgan chaleeye"

If people feel that Badal is not right pesron for Punjab then it is up to them vote him out. Yet, I would bet that even today a lot of jatha members still vote and know even one or two who stand for Akali Dal - Badal.

Admin can close this topic if they wish - it was just to clear a few things up, not to start a new discussion. Whats portrayed in the media is not always correct.

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It wasn't organised by Baldev Singh and the Jathedar of AKJ, Bh. Bakshish Singh was also there as you can see in the pics. [www.akj.org]

I was at Holla Mahalla Samagam, when the Narangwal Samagam was announced. Jatha Singhs went to the Kirtan Samagam but when Singhs heard that during the day they were going to hold a political conference and Badal was going to come, they left, including Jathedar jee. They did not want to have anything to do with this conference. However, many Gursikhs including Jathedar jee attended the Kirtan Samagam there.

The problem with this Samagam is that they gave Siropa to Badal whereas such politically motivated actions are totally contrary to traditions of Jatha. Can we imagine Bhai Sahib giving out Siropa to Kairon who was the chief minister back then. Surely Siropa can be given to persons who contribute to Chardi Kala of Panth but giving Siropa to Sardar Badal, was against traditions of Jatha.

Why did Bhai Manjit Singh allow Bhai Baldev Singh to act like the Jathedar of AKJ, when everyone knows this fact that he has no support from AKJ in India and abroad.

Kulbir Singh

Dass isn't arguing and please dont see it in that manner either, these are just some question Chatrik hopes you do reflect on.

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Veer Jujar Singh
Most people would have gone in memory of Bhai Sahib and not the politics.

Yes , agree.

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Veer Jujar Singh
Is the problem with the concept of what is being done or with the fact that 'Badal' has made a contribution in memory of Bhai Sahib?

Bhai Sahib has ripped apart munafiq's like him in many of his books. The fact that he was given a siropo under the AKJ banner is was gursikhs are not happy about.

Piarey Veer jee, if you are wondering why Baldev is being mentioned:

1. The news as you must have read it.
2. This picture.

You are wise enough to figure what conclusions the general sangat is going to come to.

Chota veer

Jujhar singh ji

Normally whenever we see someone with badal. We call him RSS. What should we call these so called AKJ singhs?
Bhai kulbir singh ji made clear that Singhs did attended the samagam but opted to leave when they heard Badal was coming but how can we justify the ones who went to the stage and are desperate to see their picture with Badal?

I am sorry but this is a total shame.

Bhul chuk di khima ji

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

It states that AKJ international has organized this smagam not Bhai Manjit Singh. And it also mentions everywhere that 'Jathedar' Baldev Singh .did ..blah blah blah.....
Jathedar....i mean hold on, do you not remember that these guys were boycotted when Bhai Ram Singh Jee was still Jathedar. What gives him the right to be the Jathedar then, if he is still boycotted from AKJ. Jathedar Bhai Bakhshish Singh Jee and the rest of the Gursikhs who left the smagam did the right thing according to gurmat. If you are saying that Badal chose to come himself then that is fine, he can sit in sangat and listen to Keertan and leave like everyone else, Satguroo is dayal anyone can sit in his charan and listen to Keertan, but what has he done for the panth to deserve a saropa from the sangat......

Jujar Singh wrote:
IMHO, in the last fifty years since Bhai Sahib's Akal Chalana it is unfortunate that his writings and those blessed places where he meditated for many years have been left neglected except for contrbutions from a number of gursikhs who have donated their dasvandh and more to these worthy causes and particpated actively in disributing this literature.


what exactly do you mean by neglected. the amount of lives that were changed by bhai sahib writings is amazing. i'm sure you are aware of the website that once existed, www.thebookthatchangedmylife.com. i mean seriously what do you mean by neglected. half of the people who are in Jatha today were influenced by Bhai Sahibs books. And what do you want to be done to those places where bhai sahib meditated, create deras.....make pilgrims......i don't think Bhai Sahib would be too happy if he saw places converted into pilgrims after his name.

Kirpa karkey hunh meri humble opinion sunh lao, Jujar Singh ji.
If you want to spread Bhai Sahib's message , then how about using the same method that Bhai Sahib himself used, Gurmat Parchaar through Gurbani, Keertan and Love. This method has always worked, whether it was during the early times of Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Jee or today in the time of Khalsa. It doesn't matter how much we try to do it through 'chairs', monuments, posters etc. people will not be spiritually inspired by these things. if you want to get to someone's heart and inspire the spiritually then there is one and only one thing that will do so , and that is Gurmat. I DON'T THINK THAT SATGURU JEE MADE POSTERS AND MONUMENTS TO INSPIRE PEOPLE AND BRING THEM CLOSER TO GURMAT.
To be completely honest i think these are just excuses to get our inner ego cooking. We are not doing justice to anyone with actions like these, not the panth, not Satguru, not Bhai Sahib and definitely not ourselves.

Jujar Singh wrote:
We are always complaining that the Punjab Govt never does anything for Sikhs, yet when they do something positive, we still aren't happy?


do you still see those things as positive, i think they are as negative as it gets. Doing something positive for us is for example getting rid of all the drug use in Punjab and getting rid of all the Baabey in every galli corner in Punjab. making Sree Akaal Takht Sahib independent again, independent from political influence, those are things that i would say are positive. not making monuments and taking siropa's of sangat, to boost the inner ego.


Some Gursikh told me, Akhand Kirtani Jatha was the only Jatheybandee which was not influenced by punjab politics and all they did was Gurmat Parchaar through Smagams. Its is sad to see that the Jatha is also going down the same route a lot of other Jatheybandeeyaa did. if you look at them now they may all be strong politically but completely fallen spiritually, is that the state you want to see AKJ in. Because it is guranteed to happen if we carry on the way we are at the moment


HSingh

That's a totally valid point and Baldev Singh shouldn't have been allowed to do that. Money talks in India, and he can pay the newspaper to give any news he wants.

However, he has nothing to do with the Trust. The idea was to invite everyone and not restrict it to a one sided smagam.

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please watch this video, and specially pay attention to the points made towards the end of the video. I don't think that AKJ has revisited this and taken the boycotts off.

Dear HSingh,

Like I said, with money, you get anything written in India.

I never suggested making any dera or pilgrims for Bhai Sahib, there are plenty of those in Punjab. These places are of historical relevance in terms of the freedom movement of India, and today are running institutions to educate the lower to middle class families and seva of print Bhai Sahib's Literature. Yes maybe one or two books have been read by many, that's it! He has written in excess of 35 publications.

Of course, kirtan parchar is important, but that doesn't appeal to everyone, there are those that prefer reading and researching.

The two schools setup in Ludhiana have been in order to educate underpriviliged familes and therefore counter-attack the problem of drug abuse in the local area. they don't just cater for children, but also for adults to aquire skills to fend for themselves, so they can support thier own and future generations.

Imagine Bhai Sahib himself sitting on that stage. Daas has no doubt infact he may be visitng from spirritual realms. Imagine him standing and presenting that siropa to Badal. Can we even imagine something like this?

Malik BHago's money and 36 parkaar food items couldnot move Guru Nanak Dev Ji maharaaj to attend the raaj bhog he organised. Badal is doing similar. How can Jatha even think of justifying accepting such money to build memorials and create more urmat awareness from the money that Badal sarkaar is earning from revenue of selling drugs, alcohol. Still thousands in jails. Still singhs are shot dead in his raaj.

This is probably the darkest day in history of Jatha.

The Jatha Singhs who allowed and stood with Badal should ask for maafi from the Sangat & Jatha.
This is a big mistake to associate with Badal.

How can Gursikhs do saanjh with him and his party.

This day will not be forgotten when the Penchain have given a Siropa under the Jatha's Banner and disgraced the Panth & Shaheeds