A Dialogue between Sardar Jassa Singh and Adina Begh

A Dialogue between Sardar Jassa Singh and Adina Begh

Mir Mannu ordered Adina Begh, the Doaba administrator and Saddiq Begh to suppress the Singhs and attack Ram Rauni but Adina Begh was a clever politician. He not only wanted to keep his position firm in the Doaba but also wanted to take over Lahore. However, he knew that he was in no position to do it himself so opened negotiations with the Khalsa to make his dream come true. He sent his men to Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and invited him for negotiations. He suggested that these negotiations would be held in Delhi. Sardar Jassa Singh would be free either to have share in political power or to have an independent state. Adina Begh assured him that he would request Mir Mannu to write to the Mughal Emperor in Delhi in this behalf. The Emperor would be pleased to accept this proposal. Therefore, there was no use of pushing young soldiers into the jaws of death and cause disturbances and discomfort to the public in general. Adina Begh was very cunning man. None could ever trust him. It would not be something astonishing if he got Sardar Jassa Singh arrested and handed over to Mir Mannu.

Sardar Jassa Singh did not fall for this trap. His reply to Adina Begh is filled with Khalsa ideals and principles and is a beacon light for the Sikhs who wish to establish Khalsa Raj. Sardar Jassa Singh replied that he would meet Adina Begh in the battlefield and that the sound of weapons should be regarded as negotiations. There was no question of sharing any political power or of having any say in the administration. When God Himself had given one a kingdom or a State, why would one beg for it from somebody else? A man who is destined to be a king has no reason for making such a request to any temporal authority. One on whom God, the Emperor of two worlds, showers His greeting, need not ask anything more. History appears to be a testimony of the fact that nobody has been able to carve out a kingdom for himself without the loss of young soldiers and discomfort to the general public. Sardar Jassa Singh added that he and his Dal were not worried about anything. When they were able to establish their full control over their state, they would be able to inhabit it. When he had lifted the sword, the talk of compromise initiated by Adina Begh looked absurd, when Sardar Jassa Singh and his associates marched forward, they would be able to conquer territories.

Adina Begh sent this kind of message twice or thrice but Sardar Jassa Singh did not change his attitude or stance, which was as follows:

The pure will rule and no one else will remain a sovereign. All other rules will end up in confusion, only those would be saved who came to the shelter of the Khalsa.

Adina Begh sent the same message to other Sardars but none left the Dal. His dream of becoming a governor of Lahore was never fulfilled. Later on, even Ahmad Shah Abdali tried to persuade Sikhs to sign a peace truce but he failed miserably and his dream to make Punjab part of his empire failed as well. Khalsa went from conquering one area after another and eventually became the sole ruler of the Punjab.

The ideal of an "Modern Sikh Independent State" is not in accordance to Gurmat Theology.
Khalsa is a cosmopolitan first and foremost . Sri Guru Tegh Bhadhar Jis shaheedi is a prime example
of Khalsa being cosmopolitan. Once we become a patriotic ethinc nation this will cause the downfall of Sikh religion.
Its one thing to fight against slavery but its another thing to fight for self-interests.

The gist of the post is that a true Sikh always asks his Guru and does not look at any government. Sikhs preferred to live in jungles but did not accept anything given by the rulers. Sikhs need to learn a lesson and start asking Guru Sahib for Raj instead of more rights from the Delhi government. Khalsa Raj shall come no matter what.

Khalsa Raj shall begin when Iran falls at Guru Sahibs holy feet.
Next Mecca and Medina will find no place to retreat.

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Khalsa Raj shall begin when Iran falls at Guru Sahibs holy feet.
Next Mecca and Medina will find no place to retreat

Sorry, didn't want to disturb your friendly conversation with Bhai Bijla Singh, but Sukhdeep Singh, from which sources did you find this information? Why Iran first? Should it not be India that needs to be defeated first? I am pretty that you always quote RehatNaameys before you justify any point, so I'm assuming this info you received from some known or unknown RehatNaamaa, considering you study a lot of old Sikh manuscripts?

Sukhdeep Singh Jee, are you serious ?

maybe he was trying to be poetic

WJKK WJKF

This is laughable - we sikhs sitting on comfortable chairs and PC prediciting where Khalsa raj wil start - the funny thing is are we prepared for it?

We have failed to prepare therefore then we must be prepare to fail too without a doubt.

Until we prepare properly for something we're going nowhere fast-- oh and don't forget the jund tree in south India will probably take another 100-200 odd years to out grow the original tree therefore the time of bachans of 10th Master to come about a long away way yet.

Point is start preparing

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don't forget the jund tree in south India will probably take another 100-200 odd years to out grow the original tree therefore the time of bachans of 10th Master to come about a long away way yet.

could u plz expand on this...wat bachans did the10th master make?

sry im curious ive nvr heard of this bachan.....tell the sakhi behind this bachan

I purposely wrote Iran instead of Pakistan or India, because many people seem to focused on Asian countries and seem not to care about the bigger picture or the rest of the world for that matter.

There is some information in ancient text which state Khalsa will concur Iran,Arabia and Asian countries but this is a different subject all together. How can we have doubt of the rise of Khalsa? Guru Gobind Singh Ji gives us Hukum to understand politics and be familiar parts of the world and learn their ways. We are not just suppose to just stay in our deras ( homes) and avoid going to the deras of people belonging to different caste ( jathebandis, race). Guru Nanak Sahib Ji went everywhere and had conversations with everyone. He helped whoever came to him. He did not stay in his dera ( home) like many of us.

While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qazi Rukan Din asked, True King, tell us your prophecy again. Tell us how you will unfold the future?. Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future?
Nanak replied to Rukan Din, listen to the true answer Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed.
In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord. I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb.
I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh).
Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways.
Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble.
The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh? I shall leave having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind
There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur.
I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab.
I shall make people from all four corners into one. They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore.
They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar.
They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass.
They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni. After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar.
After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch.
After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people.
Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble. They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India.
The Guru's Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi. Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content.
From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one.
In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established.
The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them.
The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts.
All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen. Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule.
The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more.
All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself.
The untrue shall not be able to see his glory. All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces.
The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds.
Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless. All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation.
Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish.
The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man).
He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner.
All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi.
He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain.
Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble.
For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain. Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed.
The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without.
Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be. Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow.
The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain.
After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation.
The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them. All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa
Raj Nama
Spoken by the First Master First, Nanak went to Mecca; Medina he afterwards visited.
The lord of Mecca and Medina, Kaarun, he made his disciple. When Nanak was about to depart,
Kaarun, the fortunate, thus spoke:
Now thou art about to go, But when wilt thou return?
Then the Guru thus answered:
When I put on my tenth dress I shall be called Gobind Singh; Then shall all Singhs wear their hair;
They shall accept the 'Pahal' of the two-edged Sword Then shall the Khalsa be established;
Then shall men exclaim 'Vaheguru' The four races shall become one and the same;
The five weapons shall be worn by all. In Kalyug they shall array themselves in vestments of blue;
The name of the Khalsa shall be everywhere. In the time of Aurangzeb
The wondrous Khalsa shall arise. Then shall battles be waged, Endless war shall ensue,
And fighting shall follow year after year. They shall place the name of Gobind Singh in their hearts.
When many heads shall be rendered up, The Empire of the Khalsa shall prevail.
First, they shall conquer Punjab; Then other countries shall be theirs;
Hindustan and the North shall be possessed by them; Then the west shall bow to them.
When they enter Khorasan, Kabul and Kandahar shall lie low.
When Iran has been laid prostrate, Arabia shall be conquered and they shall march on to Mecca.
Mecca shall be beheld, And Medina shall be seized.
Mighty shall be the rejoicing, And all shall exclaim 'Vaheguru'.
Unbelievers shall everywhere be destroyed; The holy Khalsa shall be exalted.
Beasts and Birds shall tremble in the presence of the Lord.
Men and Women shall everywhere call on God. The Earth, the Oceans and the Heavens shall call on God.
By calling on the Guru shall men be blessed. Every faith shall become of the Khalsa;
No other religion will remain. 'Vaheguru' shall everywhere be repeated,
And pain and trouble shall depart. In the Kalyug shall the Kingdom be established,
Which Nanak received from the Lord. Worthless, I fall before God;
Nanak, the slave, cannot comprehend the ways of the Lord. Thus replied Nanak to Kaarun's question.
Note the couplets " I shall return to resurrect the Khalsa", "All shall wear vestments of blue", "All Sikhs shall flock under his banner." These statements do not hang well with these sects. Their 'Guru' has not reserected the Khalsa so it follows that any second coming of Guru Gobind Singh Ji is yet to come. All shall wear blue, this is one of the colours of the Khalsa, most sects wear white. All Sikhs shall frock under his banner, most Sikhs reject these sects so it cannot be talking about them.
One boat is preserved at Uchch wherein Guru Nanak and Makhdum of Uchch travelled together to Mecca.
Urdu textbook which contained a poem by Iqbal in which he had paid rich tribute to him:.
The land where, Chishti delivered the message of truth.
The land where Nanak sang the song of God's oneness,
The land where the Tatars made their home,
The land which lured the Arabs from Arabia,
That land is my home, that is my home.

WJKK WJKF

Bhai Jeeo , I enclose the link to the thread when this was discussed last quite some time ago:

[www.tapoban.org]

Some Sikhs from the UK visted this tree around the 300 anniversary time and the outgrowth is level at present, correct me if I am wrong.

I will endeavour to visit this place in my lifetime if mahraj allows and will not doubt report back on here if i ever do.

plz listen to this track on raaj keraga khalsa by baba hari singh on this website gurmatveechar.com
scroll down and you will find the track, start listening from 44min into the track to listen to what sant baba gurbachan singh jee's bachans on khalsa raaj are...also in GIAN KIRNA a pothi written about the jeevan of vadey mahapurkh..its says in there (if i remember correctly)that vadey mahapurkh said first their will be a jung between 4 big countries and a couple of small coutnreis and two thirds of the world will be destroyed in this jung and then after that the war for khalsa raaj will start....