Doubt of Answering ragmala Question

ਵਾਿਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਿਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

To start with, daas is not in favour of having this sort of discussion with anyone ever. I feel like it is beating a dead horse and every single person should have right to read or not read the ragmala and no one should discriminate against those who do or don't. I also feel like the following scenario is quite immature, but would still like to have the question answered.

Here is the scenario..

After lengthy, well-mannered debate, a Jathaa Singh (not believing in the ragmala) is asked by Taksali Singhs(who do believe in it);

"Come before Guru Mahraaj hazooree, lets do ardaas and put parrcheeyaan and let Guru Mahraaj decide which is the truth. One parchee says; The ragmala is not Gurbani. One parchee says the ragmala is Gurbani."

Method of picking parchee (same size, weight, all technicalities considered etc. etc.) would be; a Singh blindly puts hand in bowl and chooses either parchee.


Should the Singh agree to this and go for the Ardaas?

Personally if it came to such a point (hoping it never has or never would), I would go for the Ardas because daas has faith in the Rehat prescribed by Panj-Pyare at Ammrit Sanchaar..

ਵਾਿਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਿਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

interesting.....

what are the views of the sangat?

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh!!!

50% of the answer would be right and 50% would be wrong. I as much as it sounds like having sharda in Guru Sahib, in all practicality and reality it's only simply a gamble. One cannot test The Guru. One can only test one's own faith in Guru. If you are 100% sure rag mala is not bani then why doubt yourself? Similarly if you 100% sure it is bani why doubt?

But perhaps there is another way of doing this. This is my suggestion. Look for two independent unbiased students, especially of literature or history. They have to be of a similar calibre i.e. education level, maybe even same college. Give one ragmala and the other one only (ONLY!) 5 pauris of Sri Japji Sahib bani both with english translation. Have a similar set of questions regarding God and the search for God and ask them both to give/write down their answers.

At this point it might be worthwhile to have a panel of independent viewers who will give their honest opinion. Then come and tell us all what results you got!!!!

hahahahahaha
grmtbbk jeeo

That would take more time than anyone should be giving to this subject. If you know it's not bani, then why waste your time?

Bhai Bhagatjot Singh jio, I personally would leave it to what you already know and feel no need to prove anything to any other. Raagmala is no new issue and will not die out anytime soon, neither will it be solved by you and another singh. This is a panthik issue and something that needs to solved by the panth when the panth see's fit. Let the singh ji believe in what he believes and you should continue with your belife. An issue like raagmala should not come in the way of you and the singh. Let it be.

As for Parcheeya not working, here is one gursikh couple who did use this method which has also been used in our history. There is a certain method that is used and that i'm sure some other gursikh will share with us. Please also take this opportunity to read their inspiring story being blessed with gursikhi. The thing to keep in mind whilst reading this is that they had no alliances with any one group before pleading before Sat Guru ji to show them the truth. Dhan hai gursikhi!!

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Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh

When I hear this question ‘How did you come into Sikhi?’I find it cannot so casually be answered. In retrospect, I know it was predestined in this life. Gurusahib put me on this path despite great obstacles I had to face. I did not know the Punjabee language or culture in the least and my family cherished conservative Catholic values. What were my chances of receiving Amrit?

My first darshan of a Singh occured when I was seven years old. He was climbing on a bus. I was transfixed by his radiant appearance even at a young age and prayed to God that I marry a handsome prince such as he.
I had always been spiritually restless. I found no solace in the Bible and going to church every Sunday was just a ritual.

I saw God in the trees as the sunlight filtered through the leaves and felt His breath in the breeze on the riverbank. Oh how I spiritually thirsted to know Him better. I studied Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and VERY briefly Sikhism. As I brooded over religious texts a thought out of somewhere came in my mind.”The day you are born you are that much closer to death”. My melancholy and longing often overwhelmed me and I wept often.

I was spared bad sangat from the beginning.I was not popular and was a quiet studious student with above average grades…what you would call a nerd now. I missed the LSD drug hippie culture that was in full swing in the 70’s. I never developed bad habits and spent my evenings in the library.While my classmates were getting drunk, stoned and pregnant I got beaten up by a boy simply for not being ‘in’ enough with this crowd. Those were painful times.

I had strange dreams of being chased on horseback through dark forests with only the moon as my guide the ennemy gaining on me. I would wake up in a sweat.I did not till much later have revealed to me what this meant. Singhs know exactly what I am talking about.

The years passed. I was still spiritually unsettled. I read voraciously usually about history and religion. I read the Bhagwad Gita and some of Kabir’s works. My husband was a sincere devotee of Shivjee and Durga and had had darshan of both. He was more into bhagtee and less into the complicated rituals of Hinduism. He couldn’t stand the trickery of Brahmins. He could see through them.He was very honest and honorable.

We went to India and went to a Radhasoami Dehra because his former professor who did seva there invited us there. I could not understand why people would prostate themselves as their ‘Guru’ drove by in a Mercedes Benz. God was the highest in my mind. We attended a few of his lectures and he quoted many lines from Guru Granth Sahib and I read some of the poignant writings of Meera. These stirred the longing within me to a fever pitch. We were granted an audience with the ‘Guru’.His appearance was that of a Sikh, so beautiful. In pain, streaming tears, I begged Him to show me how I could walk the path to God. Instead he gave me a series of tasks to accomplish then we would need to see him again in a few months and he might grant me the Mantr. My world crashed. His words and composure told us he was not the real Guru. We left and never looked back.

Upon returning to L.A. my husband was looking for a job. On the way to a job interview, on Vermont Ave, he saw a Nishan Sahib. We started going there. The sangat was warm and my heart lept as I had darshan of several of those beautiful Singhs. I could not understand much but loved the keertan and the Karah Prassad.

We were in the sangat when a very old saint Baba Gyan Singh Johalwale and several Singhs came with him. He was very quiet. We were invited to a sangat member’s house where he and his entourage were staying. My husband was curious to speak to him. I was shy and stayed back. Babajee granted him an audience. After hearing my husband speak a few minutes, he locked eyes with him for quite a while and told him point blank: “Jagdish you will have amrit tomorrow. Your name will be Jagdish Singh”. My husband was stunned and spooked by what this old gentlemen was saying. He had no idea what that was at all. His concept of amrit was receiving ‘Ganga Jal’. He pointed to me ‘She will have to go with you’. My husband was translating this to me and for some unknown reason I smiled so broadly (the soul knows what the mind does not).Babajee immediately stifled an objection that I was unsuitable as I was a Westerner by turning and saying “She is his wife.” We obeyed, quite unprepared for what was to come.

My husband had learned the Punjabi alphabet in grade school but never used it since. His language was Hindi. We presented ourselves for amrit.No one had told my husband not to shave and he did so just so he would be neat for taking amrit. He is probably the most clean-shaven candidate in history. I left all jewelry at the door. We entered and in our presence the amrit was prepared reading the Panj Banee. As I was receiving the amrit I saw a flash of light and something changed. Some inexplicable power had surged in my body. I was so charged and so filled with joy.Since I had such a hard time reciting Fateh after each chula, I received a lot of Amrit.So did my husband. We were given instructions which my husband translated. We were told to recite the gurmantr ‘Waheguru’ as much as possible and learn to recite Nitnem. Eating meat was out of the question. We were told the rehet was identical for both man and woman so when they told my husband to wear dastar and that for me it was not necessary I felt this letdown. I felt this was not quite right. But then I complied without question.

Two years later, we met Babajee’s nephew. He was a simple nice Singh. He told us that Babajee had told him our taking the Amrit was not a random event. Babajee knew Jagdish for the past three lives. Jagdish had done a lot of seva of saints and devotees in his past lives and that he had heard a call from Gurusahib to come here with Singhs to make sure these two souls received Amrit.These 2 would become very staunch Singhs. Then having delivered his message, he left. We were at a loss for words.
From the moment we were blessed with the Amrit, a breathtaking whirlwind of changes occured. There was also controversyand contention. We were very vulnerable. We were unwitingly the center of attention of the sangat as we both were from outside the Punjabee culture. The Granthee did not like saints, was pro Jhatka, and especially disliked a couple of Singhs who week after week tirelessly did Asa di Vaar and keertan. He despised them because they did it free and this undercut his business.
Bhai Manmohan Singh jee was his name and he took us under his wing. He fed us Gurmat and Gubanee. He did keertan with the depth of his soul. His son gave me a tape of blissfull keertan that sent me somewhere.

I did not understand Gurbanee by mind but it pierced me like an arrow when I walked in one day and could not stop crying having heard the Hukam read that day ‘Mere man prem lago har teer…’. I lost it when I read the translation later and in the library. I realized that Gurbanee was alive and had the power to permeate even a dense mind such as mine with its inherent spiritual scent. Gurbanee I experienced first hand was truly the Guru. I stayed locked in the library for a very long time that day.

So much was happening so fast.One day we went to Yuba City with the sangat. When I walked in, a Bibi with an enormous dastar approached me and asked we ‘Where is your dastar?’. I was shy and did not know what dastar meant…..’Your turban?’. I was filled with joy as this Bibi untied one of her layers of dastar and wrapped it on my head. It felt as if my Guru was wrapping it with His own hands by His own command. I was to be tested severely from all directions for keeping it. I dressed simply. Jewelry, fancy clothing and fashion had lost their taste and meaning. My husband was wondering what was happening to his wife. I left walking one night walking towards the Gurdwara crying after being after a hot arguement about dastar and started repeating by voice ‘Waheguru’ each step I took. Soon something wonderful happened and Waheguru started coming by breath and I don’t remember much of the walk to the Gurdwara. When I got there I sat there just doing simran. Somehow though I instinctively knew this gift would be short-lived if I did not seek surrender and the blessings of the Panj Peeare in front of Gurusahibjee.

In those early days it was very confusing for us. One side said one thing the other said something else. We were stuck in a tug of war.My husband was more influenced by the Granthee. I placed more faith in what Bhai Manmohan Singh was saying. In a moment of weakness we breached our code of conduct listening to the Granthee by eating meat. On the first bite, I spit it out without eating it and told my husband not to continue….we were doing something very wrong.He initially did not. Later after talking about it some more begged Waheguru for forgiveness and vowed to go in front of Panj Peeyare.

My husband was very irritated at some point and decided to take the questions of contention to the Guru himself. We would settle certain points of contention once and for all. I was begging Gurusahib to show us the Truth with clasped hands and tears rolling down my face. I was at first afraid then decided to submit to the Guru’s decision come what may. My husband did Ardaas to Gurusahib and placed folded pieces of paper in a bowl of water. Those that would still remain afloat the next day would be the Hukam. He asked Gurusahib which was rehet Jhatka or no, Keski or no, Raagmalla was banee or no.

The next morning in Amritvela time my husband was awakened. He had had a vision of Sach Khand. There was an incredible sound of keertan filling the Universe and he heard the voice of a high-pitched voiced keertanee with small glasses and brownish complextion but very bright and red. All the Khalsa were wearing dastaar and bana (men and women) and sitting on a dais was Guru Nanak Devjee with a flowing white beard and even more glowing face. My husband fell weeping to the feet of the Guru and he said: “You don’t need to cry anymore for you have come to your house.” Having seen this vision he did Prakash of Gurujee and saw a globe of light eminating from there. A voice said clearly:” Keski is my rehet. She is being a true bhagat by keeping it. Raagmala is not my banee. Do not eat meat.” He was overwhelmed and as I entered the room he fell to my feet and cried:”I am so sorry.” I had him stand up and breathed a sigh of relief. This trial was over and I humbly thanked Gurujee for showing us the truth. This would galvanize our faith from that way forward. No one would tell us otherwise. My husband described the keertanee to Bhai Manmohan Singh. When he showed him the picture of Bhai Randhir Singh he told him this was the person. We had not seen pictures of Bhai Sahib yet at that time do Bhai Manmohan Singh was stunned.

Shortly afterwards we did appear in front of Panj Peeyarey and detailed our transgressions. We were terrified as so many who interviewed to serve as one of the Panj came out weeping and wailing. About 65 people were rejected for one reason or another. Two elderly ladies found suitable were in the Panj peeare and one was Peredhaar. Our knees shook as we approached Gurusahib for what we had done. The atmosphere was electric. The walls were pulsating with Naam. Naamdrir was done here. And like a current it just kept going. This was very different and much more powerful then the first time. It was hard to speak for a few days.

One Singh who did not know my husband grabbed him in his arms and started crying as ifm meeting a loved one after many years. “We were separated at the Sarsa river.So much was lost as we crossed. The current was too strong. I tried to hang on to you but you were swept away by the current.” This old Gursikh, normally a sober naam abhyassi type, wept like a child and both were locked in an embrace of Simran for a very long time. My husband has not been able to enter running water his whole life.
Everything I have written here is the Truth.The wonders never cease coming from the Guru. The Guru lends a hand to His bhagat along this spiritualm path.One receives amrit after living many lives. Khande ki Pahul Amrit has been depreciated by some. Pride of intellect and cleverness impede progress. One who goes with a clean heart and humility in front of the Guru to receives this wonderful gift is sure to grow and accomplish the spiritual tasks set forth by the Guru. Anyone out there who has love for the Guru will leave his or her ‘mann’ at the door and give it all to the Guru.

dassan dass

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa,
Vaheguru ji ki fatheh !

1. A mind that is attached to controversies can never attach itself to Charan Kamal of SatGuroo.(Gurmat Naam)

2. What can a debate between 2 individuals on a controversial issue can achieve? Both will eventually walk out believing what they believed in previously.

3.Such situations occur because 1 party or both parties want to impose their views on each other.

3. Then panth has already made a decision on this matter which we all are aware of.

4.Why seek answers from a parchee? and why these piarey veers didnt even consider a Sri Hukamnama Sahib? A parchee has more credibility than SatGuroo ji's hukamnama?
why cant they sit later on and reflect on SatGuroo ji's Hukamnama Sahib?

5. Meet a naam abhiyaasi piara gursikh'rha yesterday, he said:
"Life passes in controversies, gossiping about others and politicking . When will we do bhagti then? "

this was for the 2 veer..not for you Buchangi Bhagatjot Singh ji

moorakhpan di khimma bakhsni ji.....

Chota veer

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Should the Singh agree to this and go for the Ardaas?

Personally if it came to such a point (hoping it never has or never would), I would go for the Ardas because daas has faith in the Rehat prescribed by Panj-Pyare at Ammrit Sanchaar..

I agree with other posters that there is no need to prove anything to anyone. Ones who want to read it, let them read it and same way ones who are convinced that it is not Baani, should not read it. Gal Khatam!

I think too much Kamaayee is used when doing Parchiyaan kind of method. If anything, perhaps such method may be used at a Panthik level but certainly not at individual level. Today you guys do parchiyaan and later in Toronto some Singhs may do it and then perhaps at Vancouver. This way it would become a Tamaasha.

Kulbir Singh

The above story brought tears to my eyes.

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"Come before Guru Mahraaj hazooree, lets do ardaas and put parrcheeyaan and let Guru Mahraaj decide which is the truth. One parchee says; The ragmala is not Gurbani. One parchee says the ragmala is Gurbani."

ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਦੀ ਮਤੜੀ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਕਸਵੱਟੀ ਤੇ ਘਸਾਉਣ ਦੀ ਬਜਾਏ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਪ੍ਰਤੱਖ ਹਰਿ ਦੀ ਪਰਖ ਚੈਲਿੰਜ ਰੂਪੀ ਪਰਚੀ ਪਾ ਕੇ ਕਰਨੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਸਿੱਖ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਸ਼ੋਭਨੀਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। ਜੇਕਰ ਪਰਚੀ ਪਾਉਣ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਇਹ ਮਸਲਾ ਹੱਲ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਬਹੁਤ ਚਿਰ ਪਹਿਲੋਂ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਹੁੰਦਾ। ਦਾਸ ਨੂੰ ਪੂਰੀ ਵਿਸਥਾਰ ਤਾਂ ਯਾਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਰ ਇਕ ਵਾਰ ਇੰਝ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਚੈਲਿੰਜ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੱਗੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿਖੇ ਵੀ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ। ਸਰੋਵਰ ਵਿਚ ਦੋ ਪਰਚੀਆ ਪਾਈਆ ਗਈਆ ਸਨ, ਇਕ ਇਸ ਕੱਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਨਾ ਹੋਣ ਦੀ ਤੇ ਦੂਸਰੀ ਹੋਣ ਦੀ। ਜਿਵੇ ਦੱਸਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾ ਕੌਤਕ ਵਰਤਿਆ ਦੋਨੋ ਹੀ ਪਰਚੀਆ ਡੁੱਬ ਗਈਆਂ ਕਾਫੀ ਸਮਾਂ ਸਰੋਵਰ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਡੁੱਬੀਆ ਰਹੀਆ ਫਿਰ ਪਤਾਂ ਨਹੀ ਕਿ ਕਾਫੀ ਸਮੇਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਦੋਨੋ ਹੀ ਜਲ ਦੀ ਸਤਾਹ ਤੇ ਆ ਕੇ ਤਰਦੀਆ ਰਹੀਆਂ। ਇਸ ਫੋਰਮ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਸਿੱਖ ਇਸਨੂੰ ਦਾਸ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਜਰਾ verify ਜਰੂਰ ਕਰ ਦੇਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਕੇ ਇਹ ਮਨਘੜਤ ਸਾਖੀ ਹੀ ਨਾ ਬਣ ਜਾਵੇ। ਹਾਂ ਜੋ ਸਿੱਖਿਆ ਇਸ ਕੌਤਕ ਨੇ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਜਰੂਰ ਸਮਝਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਪਰਖ ਪਰਚੀਆਂ ਪਾ ਕੇ ਕਰਨੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਪਰਵਾਨ ਨਹੀਂ।

ਸੋ ਜਿਸ ਵੀ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਉਪਰ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਰੱਖੇ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਇਸ ਭੁੱਲ ਨੂੰ ਬਖਸ਼ਾਏ। ਦੂਸਰੀ ਗੱਲ ਜੋ ਉਪਰਲੀ ਸਟੇਟਮੈਂਟ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਾਹਰ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਭਲੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਰਾਗਮਾਲਾ ਦਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾ ਹੋਣ ਦਾ ਡਰ ਬੈਠ ਚੁੱਕਾ ਹੈ ਬੱਸ ਹੁਣ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਇਸ ਸਿੱਖ ਤੇ ਭਲੀ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਸੱਚ ਦੀ ਮੋਹਰ ਕਿਸੇ ਨਾ ਕਿਸੇ ਤਰੀਕੇ ਲਾ ਹੀ ਦੇਣਗੇ। ਪਰ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਸਿੱਖਾ ਨੂੰ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਸਤਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਵਾਦਿਤ ਸੰਘਿਆ ਵਿਚ ਨਾ ਹੀ ਪਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਜੇਕਰ ਫਿਰ ਵੀ ਇਸ ਉਪਰਲੀ ਸਟੇਟਮੈਂਟ ਵਾਲਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਜ਼ਿਦ ਫੜੀ ਹੀ ਰੱਖੇ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਵਿਚ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਮੱਦਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕੇਗਾ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਹੁਣ ਉਹ ਦਾਅਵੇਦਾਰੀ ਤੇ ਉਤਰ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਦਾਅਵੇ ਬੰਨਣ ਵਿਚ ਖੁਆਰੀ ਹੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸਮੱਤ ਬਖਸ਼ਣ ਜੀ।

ਬਾਕੀ ਪਿਆਰੇ ‘ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਵੇਲਾ’ ਜੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਪੇਸ਼ ਸਾਖੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਇਸ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਨੂੰ ਦੂਰ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੀ ਹੈ। ਪਿਆਰੇ ਦੁਲਾਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਜੀ ਦਾਸ ਤੇ ਵੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਾਗਾ ਆਇਆ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ ਕਦੇ ਕਦੇ ਲੁਕਣ ਮੀਚੀ ਜਦੋਂ ਖੇਲਦੇ ਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਰਾ ਦਿਵਸ ਹੀ ਇਸੇ ਸਿੱਕ ਵਿਚ ਲੰਘ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜੀ।

ਗੁਰੂ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਭੌਰਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਦਾਸ,

Excellent thoughts Bhai Jasjit Singh jee.

Kulbir Singh

panthic rehet maryada is clear on this. those who want to read it, may read it. those who don't want to read it, do not have to read it.

i agree fully with kulbir singh veerji on this.

what i don't understand is why it is an issue again and again and again? taksalis spread rumors of jatha trying to tear angs from guru sahib... impossible! if you're at akhand paath and it's read, you can either make a big show and leave, fueling more controversy for the "other side", or you can do simran in your head while it's being read and don't worry so much. guru sahib knows what's in our hearts.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

When do Sikhs say to each other, "Let's do some Simran/Paath/Keertan" instead? It seems that many of my brethern are more interested in exploring differences than they are in actual Kamai?

This is a decision to be taken at the Panthic level - something along the lines of Sarbat Khalsa choosing the Punj Pyare and having them deliberate these issues and coming to conclusions and the Panth obeying that Divine Rule. Let's do Ardaas for that day so that the Khalsa Panth can be unified under one Rehat and see each other as brothers without any differences. In the meanwhile, who cares? Focus on the similarities and take laha. Each Jathebandi has SOOO much to offer to the other that elders in respective Jathebandis should make doing Sangat of Sikhs from other Jathebandis mandatory to learn outside of the confines of only one group (take a page from Sant Baba Harnaam Singh Rampur Khera). There is so much that each group of Sikhs has to offer.